This is too all the people too ignorant of what Japanese cars weight. Does a Mitsubish Lancer weigh 2950lbs? Yes.

Does a Evo Lance weigh 2950lbs. NO!!!!!

This is straight from the March 2008 Road & Track Magazine: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution vs Subaru Impreza WRX STI

Evo Lancer Stats:
Price as tested: $33,625
Curb Weight: 3555 lb
Test Weight: 3725
HP: 291 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 300 ft-lbs @ 4400 rpm
Tires: Yokohama Advan A13, 245/40R-19 93Y
0-60: 4.9 Seconds
1/4 Mile: 13.6 @ 100.9 mph

WRX STI Stats:
Price Tested: 29,440
Curb Weight: 3360 lb
Test Weight: 3530 lb
HP: 305 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 290 @ 4000 rpm
Tires: Dunlop SP Sport 600 245/40R-18 93W
0-60: 5.0 seconds
1/4 Mile: 13.6 @ 98.2 MPH

These stats were literally taken word for word from the March 2008 Issue of R&D. Go check it out for yourself

If a 3725 b and 3530 lb Rally Cars can do 5.0 secons or better with about 300HP and ft-lbs, then imagine what a 3700lb Camaro can do with 400 HP

Enough of this "All these Japanese cars weigh 2900lbs and outperform us". ****.

These Japanese cars weigh as much as us, and have similar HP stats

 

Its so true.. Unless GM made a miracle with that G8 platform. I think that the Challenger weight at 4100 is really deceiving. It would be too for a Camaro...

 

I think you missed the point. I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally the weight issue isn't about acceleration, its about handling and braking. The more the weight the worse the handling and braking will be, and to top it off the worse the gas mileage will be too.
If this Camaro wants to compete in todays market it needs to do more than look good and go fast in a strait line. And don't bother saying "it will handle and brake better than a stock 4th gen", because that isn't saying too much.

 

I understand weight messes with everything, handling, acceleration, MPGs, gas guzzler tax...

I think you missed my point. The Evo and WRX are considered to be some of the very best handling cars on the market, and are fast.

...Just reread my post

 

It probably will be 3,700+. When I gutted my first camaro it was amazing what a difference in handling that made. But I've also driven very fast heavy cars and I believe that better suspension can make up for weight. We can't decide this on paper. When it comes out, go drive one, then judge.

 

Just buy it and put it on a diet if thats what you want to do. I'm sure there will be many easy weight savings areas in these new body styles.

 

The previous generation of the cars did everything performance-wise better, including lap times.
I'm just saying I don't want a Camaro that can't run with the performance cars of today (handling and braking included).

 

Heavy muscle cars suck, period. Mustangs and Camaros have ruled supreme throughout the muscle car era because they are light and powerful. It's funny, you see all these real expensive old Mopar cars going at auction for ridiculous money because there aren't that many around. Why is that? Because hardly anybody wanted them! They were fat pigs with big motors! It's the same today.

 

Camaros were not that light since the late 70's. Crash regulations make it hard to have a light vehicle, unless you want to pay more for light weight components that cost more to manufacture.

 

My 2002 SS m6 w/t-tops and everything but leather was under 3500lbs. It can be done. Crash standards mandated by government haven't changed that much since. Side impact airbags and crap like that don't weigh that much.

 

My A4 at the track is 3600 on under a 1/2 tank without leather. You are also looking at a more rigid chassis, quieter interior- and crash standards have changed enough to influence weight. Every car out there is heavier now aside from maybe the Corvette and similar vehicles. A notch back Mustang used to be extremely light, I would bet the current Mustang is 400lbs or more heavier. It happens. When you add in sensors, the actual air bags, wiring, extra crash bracing, sound deadening materials, etc it all adds up. Ask the guys who put their cars on diets how much of an impact all that stuff makes. The new car is bound to be heavier, that is just the way it is. Look at the weights somebody posted for the 4cyl cars that are also smaller. Sure they are AWD, but the engines are chassis are also smaller by a lot.

 

I know what you are saying, but I want to know why. I have never seen the regulations that are specifically called out to cause this dramatic increase in weight. Sound deadening? Is that a law? We don't want that if it adds 200lbs to the car. The current mustang is around 3500lbs with an auto trans, so I don't think the Camaro 'needs' to be heavier than that except for whatever the IRS adds to the weight.

 

I would be more worried about the independant rear suspension than the weight...

 

That's a small worry though. There are plenty of people in the 8's and 9's with an IRS. The only IRS to really worry about is the Internal Revenue Service!

 

Worried? IRS is a god send to the Camaro, its about damn time they get rid of the shitty SRA suspension. If all you care about is going fast in a strait line then just replace the IRS, Im sure there will be kits made. For everyone else, we will enjoy the better ride and handling that IRS provides.

 

What? I don't think so.

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...test_data.html
Check track times on this one:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=124246
I think I saw a comparison test between the previous STi and the current one, Ill look for it later.

 

yahoo auto says the 2008.75 challenger weighs at 4100+ pounds.............how the **** is that possible if the charger weighs that much?

 

Because its the same car with two less doors?

 

2008 Challenger = fat pig. 4140lbs