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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 05:13 PM
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Parts are starting to arrive, so I figured I'd post this up to see if there were any caveats I haven't come across with this setup. Patrick G estimated my SCR would be 11.3 and DCR would be 8.87 pending the actual cam doctor numbers and accuracy of guessed numbers (below). Some have voiced their concern that the cam selection will be peaky.

What I have:
LS1 block, clean-up bore, balanced stock crank, Eagle 6.125" rods, ARP rod bolts, Wiseco -2cc pistons (guessing - they have valve reliefs and a small dome on top). Using a longer than stock balancer bolt due to fubar'ed threads. LS6 valley cover conversion, LS6 intake w/ removed rear crossover coolant lines, etc. SLP ported oil pump. Grotyohann headers, cat'ed y-pipe, SLP D/D cat-back, 3.73 gears

What I'm guessing on until the heads come off:
deck clearance: guessed .006" above deck
Piston head cc's

What I've received:
- TSP PRC 5.3L Stage 2.5 heads, milled to 59cc, 2.02/1.57 valves
-- PRC Platinum dual springs (145/390 spring pressure, rated at .660 lift)
- Cometic .040 gaskets
- ARP head bolts
- NGK TR6 plugs (will gap to .045)
- Water pump gaskets
- Timing cover gasket
- Timing cover seal
- Balancer bolt (yet another spare, came in package)
- Cadillac CTS-V Racing lifters

What I've ordered but not yet received:
- Center-bolt valve cover conversion hardware from an LS1Tech member (but nothing for valve cover PCV connections, tubes, etc)
- Patrick G spec'd 227/235 .639/.646 110+2 cam on LSK lobes (will be cam-doctor'ed). Requested an Autox/roadracing profile and specified I'd be shifting at 7200 to take advantage of gearing

What I plan to order:
- QTP race headers
- Magnaflow 59929 high-flow cat's
- Custom exhaust from headers to SLP D/D
- Current pushrods are not stock but unknown length. I have a Comp pushrod length checker which I hope to use to confirm the correct length. Do I need 'thicker' pushrods due to the lobe lift, etc?

What I haven't ordered and am undecided upon:
- Injectors & rocker arms (both are my original OEM '98 units)
- Timing chain: considered using a LS2 chain but I hear it's a pain to swap the chain. Maybe I'll order an adjustable timing set if the cam degreeing says I need one.
- Poly motor mounts

Some other questions:
- Will it be safe to ride the rev limiter for a few seconds to avoid shifting?
- How difficult will this be to tune? I'm using OL/SD with my current cam.
- Will there be any street manners which I may consider unruly?
- Guesstimates on what the torque/power bands will look like?
- Antyhing else I should be considering?

Thanks!
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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sounds nice post up vids when done.
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Sounds a lot like me but with a better bottom end and a SLIGHTLY bigger cam.

Get the LS2 timing chain, its a simple replacement. Keep your stock timing gears if they aren't worn.

Stock rockers, rebuilt by Harland Sharp for $250ish so they don't fall apart.

I also recommend going to a 38# or 42# injector. I went with 30's and am wishing I went bigger now. They're enough for what I want now, but would recommend to start with bigger.

I also suggest going with the poly motor mounts, or maybe even the solids. I've debated going to Spohn's solid setup. A lot of people are saying they don't notice a huge increase in NVH much if at all.

Expect to spend some time tuning, but it should drive very well on the street. Mine drives very well for just having 3 pulls during a dyno tune session... I just wish the bottom end was looked at better (low-rpm, low-LV8 stuff).
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JimMueller
- Guesstimates on what the torque/power bands will look like?


Thanks!
Get me the head flow numbers and i'll try to run it through Dynosim to see what it gives for horsepower and torque.

Hammer
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 06:45 AM
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I have both Dynosim and Engine Analyzer Pro. Neither models custom cam ramp rates well, but overall I like EAP better.

I think I read that there is a chain dampener available from GMPP? I might pick that up as well.
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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Received the cam today...

Code:
		                Lift	Dur	Open	        Close	        Area
Lobe	        I1						
Centerline	108.3 ATDC	0.006	277.5	33.9 BTDC	63.6 ABDC	29.47
.050 Lift C/L	104.9 ATDC	0.020	254.0	22.3 BTDC	51.6 ABDC	29.32
Runout	        0.00010		0.050	227.5	 8.9 BTDC	38.6 ABDC	28.88
Peak Open Acc.	0.000463	0.100	199.0	 5.9 BTDC	24.9 ABDC	27.83
Peak Nose Acc.	-0.000325	0.150	176.0	17.9 ATDC	13.9 ABDC	26.39
Peak Close Acc.	0.000768	0.200	153.4	29.8 ATDC	 3.2 ABDC	24.41
Lift @ TDC	0.0780		0.250	129.2	42.3 ATDC	 8.5 BBDC	21.68
Minimum Flat			0.300	100.5	57.2 ATDC	22.3 BBDC	17.73
  Follower Dia.	0.9858		0.350	60.9	77.5 ATDC	41.6 BBDC	11.25
			        0.37939	---	Peak Lift	---	
							
			        Lift	Dur	Open	        Close	        Area
Lobe	        E1						
Centerline	112.3 BTDC	0.006	284.0	77.9 BBDC	26.1 ATDC	30.83
.050 Lift C/L	116.0 BTDC	0.020	261.3	66.9 BBDC	14.4 ATDC	30.68
Runout	        0.00050		0.050	235.2	53.6 BBDC	 1.6 ATDC	30.20
Peak Open Acc.	0.000512	0.100	206.8	38.8 BBDC	12.0 BTDC	29.21
Peak Nose Acc.	-0.000315	0.150	183.6	26.6 BBDC	23.1 BTDC	27.61
Peak Close Acc.	0.000472	0.200	160.7	14.7 BBDC	34.0 BTDC	25.57
Lift @ TDC	0.0548		0.250	136.0	 1.8 BBDC	45.9 BTDC	22.72
Minimum Flat			0.300	106.8	13.3 ABDC	59.9 BTDC	18.65
  Follower Dia.	0.9700		0.350	66.8	33.8 ABDC	79.5 BTDC	12.06
			        0.38249	---	Peak Lift	---	
							
Duration @ .050							
     Intake		227.5					
     Exhaust		235.2					
Valve Lift w/ 1.7 Rockers							
     Intake		0.644					
     Exhaust		0.650					
Lobe Separation Angle	110.3
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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I punched those cam pro plus numbers into EAP, and it's telling me I have 5.6* of advance, not the 2* we requested. I was supposed to be at 11.3/8.8 compression with just 2* of advance. Should I be concerned?

Edit: Thunder said they can cam doctor a cam 5 times and get 5 slightly different sets of numbers. The rest of the numbers look pretty close, though

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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Looks like +2* to me. 110 + 2* = 108 intake center line and 112 exhaust.
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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It seems as if it's using the .050 centerline numbers to calculate advance instead of at the seat.
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I think the lobes are asymmetrical, causing .050" lift numbers to be off centerline. The report shows the correct specs at .006 lift.
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Damn Jim... you opened that rusty old wallet wide open, didn't you.
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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Actually, no since they're 'budget' heads instead of the AFR's or TFS's. But it's been awhile since I opened the motor by choice
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JimMueller
I punched those cam pro plus numbers into EAP, and it's telling me I have 5.6* of advance, not the 2* we requested. I was supposed to be at 11.3/8.8 compression with just 2* of advance. Should I be concerned?
looks like you have a 110.3LSA with +2 advance.

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