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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Have you seen any HP gain?
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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This link is more informative and has some direct comparisons.
http://www.vincihighperformance.com/...IN%20PAGE.HTML
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Great link Joe!
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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Thanks Joe, I had read that link as it was posted by mrr23. I was wondering if DTE had seen the same sorts of gain, and if it they had seen the same results.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Great link Joe!
amazing. i posted that exact link back in post #12
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....9&postcount=12

but yeah, great link joe.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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Great link mrr23 & Joe, Good info, Although I did grin and giggle at the Mikronite processed machete!!
Thanks.

I have been using MWe's Supra-Fin process on soft Pro gear and hard street gear sets and have been very impressed with the results. How does this process compare?
Are the benifits of the Mikronite process great enough to offset the higher cost when compared to the Supra-Fin process?
It's always nice to have another choice

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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mrr23
amazing. i posted that exact link back in post #12
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....9&postcount=12

but yeah, great link joe.
Yeah, but I posted it back in the #9 position...lol

It's all good.
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by The Alchemist
Yeah, but I posted it back in the #9 position...lol

It's all good.
yours was to the products page, which is much appreciated. mine was to the gear testing page as was joe's.

we're just pee ons.

you're right though, it's all good. i was just busting *****.
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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I found the hand out that I got from Crane Cams concerning the mikronite proces. Try looking at mikronite.com for more info on the process..
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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Whats does the process cost? Lets take a set of differential gears as an example.
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sscam68
Whats does the process cost? Lets take a set of differential gears as an example.
For typical 9" and 12 bolt gear sets:

Cryo-isotropic process (Cryo-REM) $175 to $250 and up. ...but if you do some shopping you can usually find some bargains for REM process.

Mikronite $200 and up.

Supra-Fin $125
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Richiec77
Cool. That's some great info on the processes.

Anywhere else to gain with-in the rest of the drivetrain? Engine area's like Piston skirts, tops, port chambers, exhaust chambers?
I want to know this also, crank bearings, pushrods ect.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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for those looking for some light reading, look at the car craft jan 2007 issue page 44.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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im waiting for that issue to show up in my mail box, I swear the mailman reads my car mags....
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maggie
For typical 9" and 12 bolt gear sets:

Cryo-isotropic process (Cryo-REM) $175 to $250 and up. ...but if you do some shopping you can usually find some bargains for REM process.

Mikronite $200 and up.

Supra-Fin $125

I'm about to build a 9" for road racing (I plan to use Richmond's lightened gears). Should I Cryo., Mikronite, and/or do the Supra-Fin? I know Cryo. is specificly for hardening the gear (don't know if that is needed with hard gear sets like Richmond and others). What's the advantage/difference between the Mikronite and Supra-Fin?
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001CamaroGuy
I'm about to build a 9" for road racing (I plan to use Richmond's lightened gears). Should I Cryo., Mikronite, and/or do the Supra-Fin? I know Cryo. is specificly for hardening the gear (don't know if that is needed with hard gear sets like Richmond and others). What's the advantage/difference between the Mikronite and Supra-Fin?
I personaly don't think think that the Cryo is a necessity with the Richmond's if you supper-polish.

Any of the three processes would do well for you.
As for the difference between the Mikronite and Supra-Fin, Well, They both yield very similar results each from it's respective proprietary process. I think that the biggest difference is going to be in the cost.
I have not had much experience with the Mikronite but I have used Cryo-Isotropic (Cryo-REM) and Isotropic (REM). I have also used the Supra-Fin with excellent results.

Here is some good info on supper-polishing:
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...005-213958.pdf
http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ7_1.pdf
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...000-210044.pdf
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 10:30 PM
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What results are you seeing on the track?
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SScam68
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What results are you seeing on the track?
Certainly the most apparent results are increased longevity, lower case/lub temps and very little or no break-in at all required. On lightweight gear sets shattering was a big problem which was greatly reduced with the supper-polished gear sets. This is enough to justify the cost of the process imo.

As far as on track results, it is very hard to attribute exact gains to the gears...unfortunately the type of data logging needed to verify such gains was not always availble: Just for what it worth, On a Stock Eliminator car, that we were able to use as a test mule, when we compared data logs from with/without we saw a 17 hp gain in calculated horse Power with a REM processed tranny and final gear set.

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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Maggie
I personaly don't think think that the Cryo is a necessity with the Richmond's if you supper-polish.

Any of the three processes would do well for you.
As for the difference between the Mikronite and Supra-Fin, Well, They both yield very similar results each from it's respective proprietary process. I think that the biggest difference is going to be in the cost.
I have not had much experience with the Mikronite but I have used Cryo-Isotropic (Cryo-REM) and Isotropic (REM). I have also used the Supra-Fin with excellent results.

Here is some good info on supper-polishing:
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...005-213958.pdf
http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ7_1.pdf
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...000-210044.pdf
So who would I call to get a set of lightened 9" gears mirco-polished (since you said Cryo is probubly pointless on such hard gears anyways)? Who would you say I go through?
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