View Poll Results: Whats the best torque management setting
Leave it stock
2
6.06%
75%
1
3.03%
50%
1
3.03%
25%
4
12.12%
F*** it cut it off and hope it does not blow
25
75.76%
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"Torque management" should I cut it off or reduce it?
Originally Posted by 00SSLS1
you got any track times with the 220 cam and 3600 stall?
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Originally Posted by DrkPhx
What does a MS4 have to do with it?
Originally Posted by 00SSLS1
says who? I was shifting at 6400 rpms for almost 2 years in a stock 4l60e with the f-13 cam with no problems. Some guys just have better luck than others but don't just state that it will fail. Just like the 10-bolt some break stock and some it'll last some mods. Yes they're both weak links though, don't get me wrong. 
Originally Posted by Walking-dead
Not yet but I hope to get to the race track soon. It is just now being retired from daily duty so I want to do what everybody does with a cam...go bigger..lol. It's a very torquey cam and makes for a fun ride with the stall. Theres no track less than an hour away from where I live. Sucks!! I willpost up times in sig when I get there!!
I have the TSP 233/239 cam and it only makes 10-20 less rwhp then the MS4. I shift around 67-6800 rpms with no torque management and I have not had a problem. It's all hit and miss with the tranny and 10 bolt... some people have no problems and run them well into the 11s while others blow at nothing more then stock hp. Anytime you modify something you're taking a chance. Either accept it or don't modify your car.
Originally Posted by tjswanson2001
I have the TSP 233/239 cam and it only makes 10-20 less rwhp then the MS4. I shift around 67-6800 rpms with no torque management and I have not had a problem. It's all hit and miss with the tranny and 10 bolt... some people have no problems and run them well into the 11s while others blow at nothing more then stock hp. Anytime you modify something you're taking a chance. Either accept it or don't modify your car.
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no torque management here at the moment.. but usually I run with it set at the stock settings for daily driving but I also have an FLT level 4 tranny and Vig 3600 stall so I'm not too worried about spining it too high or it getting beat on too much if I leave the TM off all the time.
No TM here and no issues. There is no fact about the RPM's killing 4L60E's. Obviously, numerous members are spinning them well past 6000 with no problems. Then there's the guys who grenade. It's hit or miss....certainly not fact.
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Originally Posted by 99Hawk262
No TM here and no issues. There is no fact about the RPM's killing 4L60E's. Obviously, numerous members are spinning them well past 6000 with no problems. Then there's the guys who grenade. It's hit or miss....certainly not fact.
yes, it is a fact that high RPM's kill 4L60E's. it happens all the time. if you raise the RPM's above stock, you greatly increase your chances of grenading your transmission. nowhere did i say it was a guarantee. there's always an exception to the rule. what i can guarantee is that a 4L60E with stock shift points has less of a chance of grenading than a 4L60E with shift points higher than stock. this holds true in 100% of the transmissions out there. "when" it blows up is only a matter of time, but there is no doubt you're making that day come faster. no 4L60E in existence will be just as happy shifting at 7000 rpms as it is shifting at 6000 rpms.
All I'm saying is look around and see all the people shifting it at higher RPM's and having no issues. Some doing it for years. That tells me it's a "fact" that it won't necessarily kill your tranny. It's hit or miss. When you can prove that every single tranny is going to grenade when shifted above a certain RPM, then you can say it's fact. Until then, it's luck of the draw.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
Last edited by 99Hawk262; Jun 1, 2007 at 10:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by 99Hawk262
All I'm saying is look around and see all the people shifting it at higher RPM's and having no issues. Some doing it for years. That tells me it's a "fact" that it won't necessarily kill your tranny. It's hit or miss. When you can prove that every single tranny is going to grenade when shifted above a certain RPM, then you can say it's fact. Until then, it's luck of the draw.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
the proof of this phenomena is that cars running FI don't have as many problems as NA guys have. a 4L60E will generally last a lot longer behind a 400 rwhp FI car than a 400 rwhp NA car because the FI guys don't raise their shift points. it's been shown time and time again. once again, nothing is set in stone, but you can't argue with reality. the reality is if you raise your shift points, you're cutting your transmissions life a fraction of what it could be. the only question is: "what fraction is that?" that fraction is what varies by car.
I plan on taking it completely out with my setup.
I am shifting it at 6500 RPM's, and it's going to be fully built to handle the power. I plan on getting it setup to handle about 800hp, with a good shift kit in it. I have a B&M Super Cooler also.
I am shifting it at 6500 RPM's, and it's going to be fully built to handle the power. I plan on getting it setup to handle about 800hp, with a good shift kit in it. I have a B&M Super Cooler also.
Originally Posted by JeaneGrae
what are the benefits to having it turned off? Is it a seat of the pants difference?
And a good Shift Kit..no delay in shifts. 
I will say the same as far as it being hit/miss. I blew a 4L60E apart at 2500RPM's on the street. Just it's time to go. The same can happen with going into high RPMS. When it decides to go, it will go.
That's why I would keep a close watch on yours Hawk after what happened a couple of months ago..
Originally Posted by 99Hawk262
All I'm saying is look around and see all the people shifting it at higher RPM's and having no issues. Some doing it for years. That tells me it's a "fact" that it won't necessarily kill your tranny. It's hit or miss. When you can prove that every single tranny is going to grenade when shifted above a certain RPM, then you can say it's fact. Until then, it's luck of the draw.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
And for every person you can show whose grenaded a tranny, I can show you one whose spinning it high and loving life.
That's why I would keep a close watch on yours Hawk after what happened a couple of months ago..
Last edited by the_merv; Jun 2, 2007 at 11:39 PM.
for what ever it's worth, when i had the MS4 cam in my car and had it dyno'd it really didnt make anything past 6300, just started going dead after that. they dyno guy told me they spun it up to 6700 and it didnt increase or anything. but that's just something for you to know about.
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had mine turned off and I blew my 4l60 today. Tranny only had 5k on it too. I now have no forward or reverse. Dont do it!! It crapped out at about 5,800 and now I think I have a bad pump or a broken shaft to deal with. I was to pissed to mes with it today I will investigate tommorow.