Maggie on Ebay
#1
Maggie on Ebay
For those who may have a few grand burning a hole in their pocket.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnuson-MP112-Supercharger-Kit-for-LS6-LS2-LS1-CTS-V-GTO-Corvette-/130967714174?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7e48b97e&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnuson-MP112-Supercharger-Kit-for-LS6-LS2-LS1-CTS-V-GTO-Corvette-/130967714174?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7e48b97e&vxp=mtr
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#8
its pretty much the same setup on all the different cars..the vette and V share the same accesories spacing..gto i believe uses a different front bracket and longer or shorter jack shaft but im not certain which.
cancer(member here) can give you details on whats different as he used a 122 from a gto on his V
cancer(member here) can give you details on whats different as he used a 122 from a gto on his V
#9
Pulley spacing is different on the GTO, will not match with the V or Vette. The supercharger (rotor housing) is placed further towards the front of the motor on the intake on the Vette version, so the hood will not close if the Vette unit is installed on a V.
Consequently, the V rotor housing is too far back on the intake for the Vette hood to close. These things are not one size fits all.
JCC installed the GTO 122 head unit on his existing V Maggie intake. That's how the pulleys lined up.
Consequently, the V rotor housing is too far back on the intake for the Vette hood to close. These things are not one size fits all.
JCC installed the GTO 122 head unit on his existing V Maggie intake. That's how the pulleys lined up.
#11
Oh yeah!
Wanna do some serious racing? Then go all out, find another "kit" (Procharger, turbo, Whipple, etc), and have at it. Mod Hell isn't for everyone, though.
I say, criticize it all you want. A maggie might not quite reach that 500 rwhp threshold without doing some additional work, but it's a straight forward install, it's reversible, and it makes street driving so-o much more fun.
Wanna do some serious racing? Then go all out, find another "kit" (Procharger, turbo, Whipple, etc), and have at it. Mod Hell isn't for everyone, though.
I say, criticize it all you want. A maggie might not quite reach that 500 rwhp threshold without doing some additional work, but it's a straight forward install, it's reversible, and it makes street driving so-o much more fun.
#12
Oh yeah!
Wanna do some serious racing? Then go all out, find another "kit" (Procharger, turbo, Whipple, etc), and have at it. Mod Hell isn't for everyone, though.
I say, criticize it all you want. A maggie might not quite reach that 500 rwhp threshold without doing some additional work, but it's a straight forward install, it's reversible, and it makes street driving so-o much more fun.
Wanna do some serious racing? Then go all out, find another "kit" (Procharger, turbo, Whipple, etc), and have at it. Mod Hell isn't for everyone, though.
I say, criticize it all you want. A maggie might not quite reach that 500 rwhp threshold without doing some additional work, but it's a straight forward install, it's reversible, and it makes street driving so-o much more fun.
#13
Seems pretty dumb for whoever bought this!
#15
- $3000 for a used Maggie will net you +70 RWTQ, if you're unwilling to drop a couple thousand dollars on engine mods to support the blower. $3000/70 RWTQ = $42.86/RWTQ. Plus you're on borrowed time on both the motor and the blower.
- $16000 for a forged 416 CID LS3, 4.0L Whipple, and fuel system will do 950-1000 RWTQ (+600 RWTQ). $16000/600 RWTQ = $26.67/RWTQ.
Last edited by FuzzyLog1c; 08-17-2013 at 12:50 AM.
#16
The dollar / performance on a real, forged LS3/LSX with twin turbo or Whipple is much better than a Maggie. Consider:
- $3000 for a used Maggie will net you +70 RWTQ, if you're unwilling to drop a couple thousand dollars on engine mods to support the blower. $3000/70 RWTQ = $42.86/RWTQ. Plus you're on borrowed time on both the motor and the blower.
- $16000 for a forged 416 CID LS3, 4.0L Whipple, and fuel system will do 950-1000 RWTQ (+600 RWTQ). $16000/600 RWTQ = $26.67/RWTQ.
Last edited by ravenls6v; 08-17-2013 at 02:56 AM.
#17
I see the price per tq ratio but what about another 4-7k on an 8.8 or 9 inch and let's ballpark 2k for transmission upgrades to hold the power.. where is that cost ratio now? We're looking at 22k plus once you figure in what you'll need to upgrade to handle that kind of tq/hp. If money was no object, hell yes...but it usually is.
Even if you don't buy that argument, a CTS-V Magnum T-56 is $3295 after the core swap and it looks like the 54inches/GulfM3 DIY 8.8" will cost about $4700 if you buy the best of everything (e.g. carbon fiber driveshaft). So then you're up to $23000/600 RWTQ = $38.33 / RWTQ. But again, I'm going to argue that that's a totally unfair comparison. And while we're talking about unfair, I doubt you'll get the Maggie for $3000. I was generous to the Maggie in the original comparison.
#18
Because of the near-vertical torque curve, that's also recommended for the Maggie. So it evens out.
Even if you don't buy that argument, a CTS-V Magnum T-56 is $3295 after the core swap and it looks like the 54inches/GulfM3 DIY 8.8" will cost about $4700 if you buy the best of everything (e.g. carbon fiber driveshaft). So then you're up to $23000/600 RWTQ = $38.33 / RWTQ. But again, I'm going to argue that that's a totally unfair comparison. And while we're talking about unfair, I doubt you'll get the Maggie for $3000. I was generous to the Maggie in the original comparison.
Even if you don't buy that argument, a CTS-V Magnum T-56 is $3295 after the core swap and it looks like the 54inches/GulfM3 DIY 8.8" will cost about $4700 if you buy the best of everything (e.g. carbon fiber driveshaft). So then you're up to $23000/600 RWTQ = $38.33 / RWTQ. But again, I'm going to argue that that's a totally unfair comparison. And while we're talking about unfair, I doubt you'll get the Maggie for $3000. I was generous to the Maggie in the original comparison.
#19
There's no question the setup you are getting at is most favorable, just more expensive. You know you can get away with a maggie without trans upgrades and a ford rear but that's pushing it for sure. When do you (or anyone) justify that kind of cash versus just going v2? That's the question I ask myself when I consider big money upgrades to the v1.
#20
Because the stock CTS-V, which weighs 400 lbs more than our car, only makes about 450 RWHP and RWTQ stock (blue line below). So while you can do a 2.55" pulley and a tune fairly cheaply (red line below), you'll have to do most of the same modifications (engine swap, bigger blower) to start making real power. So what you're really buying is the look of the car, inside and outside, for about $40,000 used.