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Bought mine direct from Hp tuners.
If you want it cheaper, you'll need to look for someone selling a used unit. You could also probably go in with a couple of buddies and split the cost since you'll be able to tune about 4 cars.
If you want it cheaper, you'll need to look for someone selling a used unit. You could also probably go in with a couple of buddies and split the cost since you'll be able to tune about 4 cars.
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Last I checked (may have changed now) but you had to jimmy up the wideband to work with the non pro version, where as the pro version allowed easy plug and play.
Also, I've never seen their stuff on sale. Every so often a unit comes up in the for sale section for $300 or so, and has about 2 credits remaining on it.
Also, I've never seen their stuff on sale. Every so often a unit comes up in the for sale section for $300 or so, and has about 2 credits remaining on it.
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Staging Lane
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From: Toledo,OH
Definitely get the Pro, spend the extra few bucks it costs. You can get AFR readings VIA EGR or AC input with the standard version. but nobody other than you can really view your loggs. There is also issues with accuracy when you run it that way. Just do the pro version.
lol, you could try CCFBG but the problem is, pretty much all the guys that mod are down in the usa. Even look at a lot of the parts that come up here in the for sale section in the Canadian section...not much. Hell it took me awhile to part out my v6 between the forums and Kijiji and about 95% of my car parts I sold went to the USA. Hell if I lived down there I would have had the whole damn thing parted in 2 weeks instead of 6 months...
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Staging Lane
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so you would never buy the basic and just watch the wide band? its not tied direct to the pcm in the car so regardless of what it see your car wont change anything its only putting that number on our screen
or am i wrong
or am i wrong
Staging Lane
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From: Toledo,OH
You can watch your gauge, I guess if your not data logging then that will work just fine. However If your data logging you will want to have that information to compare with the rest. Just watching your gauge and trying to remember where it was at each RPM VS MAF freq. (for example) will be next to impossible unless your using a camera to capture the data, frame for frame.
^^that is a really dumbed down description without getting technical (I'll confuse you if you don't have the program in front of you)
You could probably get a loosy goosey tune just watching the gauge and guessing, but it won't be a very good tune at all and in my opinion, if you are going to spend that kind of money, you'd be really half assing it and wasting your money. But that is my opinion.
The wideband is used in several calculations.
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: Toledo,OH
When you datalog it you pull it into equations you use to tune. So for instance Hp tuners has a tie in where you can see what your AFR error % is, so if you are off by 20% you would copy that data into your MAF tables and correctly calibrate your maf across your entire rpm and driving range.
^^that is a really dumbed down description without getting technical (I'll confuse you if you don't have the program in front of you)
You could probably get a loosy goosey tune just watching the gauge and guessing, but it won't be a very good tune at all and in my opinion, if you are going to spend that kind of money, you'd be really half assing it and wasting your money. But that is my opinion.
The wideband is used in several calculations.
^^that is a really dumbed down description without getting technical (I'll confuse you if you don't have the program in front of you)
You could probably get a loosy goosey tune just watching the gauge and guessing, but it won't be a very good tune at all and in my opinion, if you are going to spend that kind of money, you'd be really half assing it and wasting your money. But that is my opinion.
The wideband is used in several calculations.
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Staging Lane
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so the wide band input is more or less used when building a new tune or modifying a current tune up in your set up. any preferences on wide bands i currently have a aem , would you run one in each bank or 1 in the down pipe
you summed it up pretty good- I can see the way he is thinking to though, which makes sense if he hasn't seen the program interface to know how it actually works, you could easily think it is cut and dry like that...and in a way it is pretty straight forward, but me and you have seen the graphs so we know you'd put your head through a wall trying to tune the car just by looking at the gauge lol 
yes, it is always used when adjusting fueling. The only things you wouldn't use it for are spark tuning (but you'll end up making minor adjustments to the maf table as you add / subtract spark as you will effectively get leaner or richer accordingly. You wouldn't use a wideband when tuning the transmission tables, torque management or OBD codes. Pretty much anything else will likely require use of a wideband in some way shape or form.
I have an AEM and love it. I would stay away from innovate personally...I had nothing but problems with my old one- I must have burned out 3-4 O2 sensors at 70$ or so a pop before I tossed the whole thing in the garbage. AEM is self calibrating to, so one less thing to worry about.
so the wide band input is more or less used when building a new tune or modifying a current tune up in your set up. any preferences on wide bands i currently have a aem , would you run one in each bank or 1 in the down pipe
I have an AEM and love it. I would stay away from innovate personally...I had nothing but problems with my old one- I must have burned out 3-4 O2 sensors at 70$ or so a pop before I tossed the whole thing in the garbage. AEM is self calibrating to, so one less thing to worry about.
I have an AEM and love it. I would stay away from innovate personally...I had nothing but problems with my old one- I must have burned out 3-4 O2 sensors at 70$ or so a pop before I tossed the whole thing in the garbage. AEM is self calibrating to, so one less thing to worry about.
AEM UEGO 30-4100 is the one I have along with the gauge. When I first bought it, I didn't want to install the gauge (which is why I originally went with innovate) now I love having the gauge on hand- let's you see anytime there is an issue with car, you'll watch your car lean out or richen up with season changes.
I don't know how good the aeroforce wideband is, but I remember hearing good things about it, and I already have their gauge in my car (one of the best damn investments). I use the aeroforce to consistently monitor KR, I have it setup to light up and flash red the moment I get 0.1* of knock and I know to take my foot off the gas instantly. Plus Aeroforce allows you to pull DTC codes and clear them on the fly among 1000 other things...so if you want a clean setup, one gauge does all kinda thing, maybe look into aeroforce and do a bit of research.
I don't know how good the aeroforce wideband is, but I remember hearing good things about it, and I already have their gauge in my car (one of the best damn investments). I use the aeroforce to consistently monitor KR, I have it setup to light up and flash red the moment I get 0.1* of knock and I know to take my foot off the gas instantly. Plus Aeroforce allows you to pull DTC codes and clear them on the fly among 1000 other things...so if you want a clean setup, one gauge does all kinda thing, maybe look into aeroforce and do a bit of research.