LS1 to Cadillac Catera conversion
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well, i was BASICALLY asking him what OEM GM parts they used...and this email was the reply he gave me... People dont seem to think that the Holden/GTO/Opel stuff will bolt on to the car.
Like you, I just can't fathom why a simple k-member/mount combo wouldn't let the motor drop right in. Save for an auto-to-manual swap, it seems that since both of these cars are on the same GM2800 platform, that they would be like legos (like the imports im used to) and fall together.
People have also said that the Holden version of the car was "changed significantly" to accomodate the LSx. e.g. widened, lengthened, etc...
I cant really subscribe to that one because as a business move, significantly changing a car usually constitutes a large expense. Now we ALL know the general dosen't like to spend money.
So, my question is this...why is it that NO ONE(except LPE) has tried this swap, yet EVERYONE seems to agree that it is just as much trouble as LSx'ing any other non-LSx car!?!?!?
lets make it happen,
Mike
Like you, I just can't fathom why a simple k-member/mount combo wouldn't let the motor drop right in. Save for an auto-to-manual swap, it seems that since both of these cars are on the same GM2800 platform, that they would be like legos (like the imports im used to) and fall together.
People have also said that the Holden version of the car was "changed significantly" to accomodate the LSx. e.g. widened, lengthened, etc...
I cant really subscribe to that one because as a business move, significantly changing a car usually constitutes a large expense. Now we ALL know the general dosen't like to spend money.
So, my question is this...why is it that NO ONE(except LPE) has tried this swap, yet EVERYONE seems to agree that it is just as much trouble as LSx'ing any other non-LSx car!?!?!?
lets make it happen,
Mike
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This should shed some light on the subject:
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...ght=catera+gto
good read!
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...ght=catera+gto
good read!
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in all it interests, here times a pdf with information from the omega v8, which OPEL wanted to bring in the year 2001 on the market!
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
Last edited by odi; Sep 22, 2006 at 12:08 PM.
Originally Posted by odi
in all it interests, here times a pdf with information from the omega v8, which OPEL wanted to bring in the year 2001 on the market!
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
Where did you find that?? Can you get any more info?
What is not clear though is how they dealt with the clearance issue between the steering gear box and the drivers-side rear header primary. I have close-up pictures of the Lingenfelter conversion and there was approximately 4-5 cm between the side of the cylinder head surface and the steering box.
Also since I don't read German, what does it mention about the differential?
Last edited by Hans Grüber; Sep 24, 2006 at 01:24 PM.
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Oboy would that been a great car. I have a 2001 Omega Caravan, really would like to have a LS1 in it.
Thanks Odi for the PDF.
The front brakes looks like Corvette C5/Camaro LS1 with 13" rotors.
There was some rumours somewhere about the new Holden Commodore with the LS2 that it could possible be sold in Europe as an Opel.
Jan
Thanks Odi for the PDF.
The front brakes looks like Corvette C5/Camaro LS1 with 13" rotors.
There was some rumours somewhere about the new Holden Commodore with the LS2 that it could possible be sold in Europe as an Opel.
Jan
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@Hans Grüber
I do not understand your last sentence.
are you German and/or European descent or why sound German your name?
but if I understand you correctly, you would like to know which about differantial stand there?
the differential originates from the delivery program from holden. and still according to the omega one modified.
translation is 3,07
still beside with mentions. that omega v8 was never sold.
briefly before introduction on the market OPEL has the project adjusted with rather bad reasons became I mine.
allegedly the engine was not full power firmly too gotten and had problems with cooling water, because the cooling water channels are to be dimensioned too small.
then gabs still the rumor, which gave it too few pre-order
have the corvette/camaros etc. also heat problems? i think not
I saw a picture of an engine compartment one camaro z28 and looked just as full as in the omega
I do not understand your last sentence.
are you German and/or European descent or why sound German your name?
but if I understand you correctly, you would like to know which about differantial stand there?
the differential originates from the delivery program from holden. and still according to the omega one modified.
translation is 3,07
still beside with mentions. that omega v8 was never sold.
briefly before introduction on the market OPEL has the project adjusted with rather bad reasons became I mine.
allegedly the engine was not full power firmly too gotten and had problems with cooling water, because the cooling water channels are to be dimensioned too small.
then gabs still the rumor, which gave it too few pre-order
have the corvette/camaros etc. also heat problems? i think not
I saw a picture of an engine compartment one camaro z28 and looked just as full as in the omega
Originally Posted by odi
@Hans Grüber
I do not understand your last sentence.
I do not understand your last sentence.
Originally Posted by odi
are you German and/or European descent or why sound German your name?
Originally Posted by odi
but if I understand you correctly, you would like to know which about differantial stand there? the differential originates from the delivery program from holden. and still according to the omega one modified. translation is 3,07
Originally Posted by odi
still beside with mentions. that omega v8 was never sold. briefly before introduction on the market OPEL has the project adjusted with rather bad reasons became I mine. Allegedly the engine was not full power firmly too gotten and had problems with cooling water, because the cooling water channels are to be dimensioned too small. then gabs still the rumor, which gave it too few pre-order have the corvette/camaros etc. also heat problems? i think not. I saw a picture of an engine compartment one camaro z28 and looked just as full as in the omega
Anways where did this PDF come from?
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I would definitely ponder an LS1-Catera for a family hauler. I see Cateras for sale cheaper and cheaper every year and if its not too hard to stuff in a fresh LS2 and possibly fit up a T56 then it would be an awesome car... even with an auto it would be a great cruiser. always liked the looks of the Catera, nice size and shape.
good thread but whoa man this one goes back to 2003?!??! and no major updates? yikes!
good thread but whoa man this one goes back to 2003?!??! and no major updates? yikes!
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If they intended to use the radiator from the 3.2L V6 it was probably to small for the V8, that could be the reason for cooling issues. The LS1 runs pretty cool as it is. Then the Omega frontal area and the opening for the radiator is small.
The PDF doesn't say anything about another radiator, only another cooling duct for the alternator. In the brake chapter they say that the master cylinder must be changed to one that handles the higher heat better than the original. Since the brakes are generally updated I guess another MC is needed anyway.
It is sad that they didn't make this one, Opel has had cool performers for most of the time. Such classics as the Rekord Sprint, Lotus Omega and the present OPC Vectra are all cool cars.
Jan
The PDF doesn't say anything about another radiator, only another cooling duct for the alternator. In the brake chapter they say that the master cylinder must be changed to one that handles the higher heat better than the original. Since the brakes are generally updated I guess another MC is needed anyway.
It is sad that they didn't make this one, Opel has had cool performers for most of the time. Such classics as the Rekord Sprint, Lotus Omega and the present OPC Vectra are all cool cars.
Jan
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Originally Posted by Hans Grüber
Anways where did this PDF come from?
if possibly someone has information, which divide one needs, for the change?
and times can someone say please, what the ls1 or ls2 engines with t56 transmission to cost?
I can only look which it with ebay to cost.
hier in deutschland welche zu bekommen ist ziemlich schwierig und teuer
and the rumors why that omega v8 I was adjusted in various forums read
Here are pics of a swap performed by Lingenfelter.
Particularly note how the rear drivers side primary was squished in order to clear the steering box. I would be very interested to know how Opel dealt with this issue.
The car has a ~600 hp 7.0L and T56.
Particularly note how the rear drivers side primary was squished in order to clear the steering box. I would be very interested to know how Opel dealt with this issue.
The car has a ~600 hp 7.0L and T56.
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I did a Google search and found this picture:
If you look at page 44 in the PDF you will see that they used another enginemount that gave more room for the exhaust than the Lingefelter mounts.
Jan
If you look at page 44 in the PDF you will see that they used another enginemount that gave more room for the exhaust than the Lingefelter mounts.
Jan
Originally Posted by jannes_z-28
If you look at page 44 in the PDF you will see that they used another enginemount that gave more room for the exhaust than the Lingefelter mounts.
Jan
Jan
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in all it interests, here times a pdf with information from the omega v8, which OPEL wanted to bring in the year 2001 on the market!
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
>>click<<
and I intend also a ls1 swap, in omega b/catera
sorry for bad english
the file is not there
do you have that file
