New Hooker 1st-gen/Nova swap parts info
02-18-2014, 01:38 PM
#81
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I did some further digging and found that the front of the sump on the Mast pan is 3/8" further back than compared to the front of the sump of the new 302-2 Holley pan...that may or not be enough to provide clearance for the TruTurn drag link bracket using the new Hooker engine mounting kit. The front of the sump of the original Holley 302-1 pan is a full 2" further back than that of the 302-2 pan, so you have the clearance for the TruTurn bracket by a mile.
02-18-2014, 03:31 PM
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Thanks BC, I understand now that those are factory F-body pieces. Since compatibility with those pieces was not an intended feature of the new pan you're ability to get them to work was a stroke of good luck (and skill on your part). Knowing how much casting tooling costs, I can say for certainty that no changes to the design will be made to accommodate them in the future as it just wouldn't be cost prudent at this stage.
02-18-2014, 06:03 PM
#84
Todd,
Understood.. I though I would bring these up for your Knowledge Base.. and maybe it would get a update as a warning that these factory pieces would need some altering to be used with the 302-2 pan. Better to be informed in the first place.
It just takes a simple trim.
that all of you LS1tech might use as well as the bolts on the pickup tube to pump.
BC
Understood.. I though I would bring these up for your Knowledge Base.. and maybe it would get a update as a warning that these factory pieces would need some altering to be used with the 302-2 pan. Better to be informed in the first place.
It just takes a simple trim.
that all of you LS1tech might use as well as the bolts on the pickup tube to pump.BC
02-18-2014, 06:14 PM
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Todd,
Understood.. I though I would bring these up for your Knowledge Base.. and maybe it would get a update as a warning that these factory pieces would need some altering to be used with the 302-2 pan. Better to be informed in the first place.
It just takes a simple trim. that all of you LS1tech might use as well as the bolts on the pickup tube to pump.
BC
Understood.. I though I would bring these up for your Knowledge Base.. and maybe it would get a update as a warning that these factory pieces would need some altering to be used with the 302-2 pan. Better to be informed in the first place.
It just takes a simple trim.
that all of you LS1tech might use as well as the bolts on the pickup tube to pump.BC
02-19-2014, 04:49 PM
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Todd.. just mounted my 302-2 on my LS1 for my Chevelle.. Only two issue was as follows:
1) trying to mount the second bolt on the pickup to oil pump. I ended up using hex headed bolts. As stated before on this or some other thread. Hard to use a bolt and socket/wrench to secure the bolt for the pickup with the front cover on. Suggest you supply the correct bolts to make it easier to install the pickup tube.
2) Black plastic cover on the Driver side near the oil filter, using the F-Body covers. I had to trim the plastic for the cover to sit flat. Might just put a commend on the Installation Instructions.
Both are somewhat minor. But I thought I let you know and maybe the Research Dept can come up with a good solution and packaging.
I'll get the engine back in soon and check the clearance of the pan to steering and cross member. But right now I also have just took the Nova out for its first road test !... so I am trying to work on to projects at the same time.. !
BC
1) trying to mount the second bolt on the pickup to oil pump. I ended up using hex headed bolts. As stated before on this or some other thread. Hard to use a bolt and socket/wrench to secure the bolt for the pickup with the front cover on. Suggest you supply the correct bolts to make it easier to install the pickup tube.
2) Black plastic cover on the Driver side near the oil filter, using the F-Body covers. I had to trim the plastic for the cover to sit flat. Might just put a commend on the Installation Instructions.
Both are somewhat minor. But I thought I let you know and maybe the Research Dept can come up with a good solution and packaging.
I'll get the engine back in soon and check the clearance of the pan to steering and cross member. But right now I also have just took the Nova out for its first road test !... so I am trying to work on to projects at the same time.. !
BC
02-19-2014, 09:45 PM
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I'll have to check the BOM tomorrow to be sure...sometimes things like this are a QA issue and sometimes they stem from the design engineer having a brain fart when he compiles the BOM contents, like sebtarta on here can tell you I did with a few pieces of the hardware on our new 1st-gen engine mount kits. What matters in my opinion is that we pay attention and take care of the issues that customers bring to our attention. To everyone's credit here (with the exception of a few haters who troll forums looking for any opportunity to rip something or someone), your willingness to provide comprehensive feedback ultimately improves the quality of the products you get from Holley, so keep up the good work.
02-20-2014, 01:49 PM
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I'll have to check the BOM tomorrow to be sure...sometimes things like this are a QA issue and sometimes they stem from the design engineer having a brain fart when he compiles the BOM contents, like sebtarta on here can tell you I did with a few pieces of the hardware on our new 1st-gen engine mount kits. What matters in my opinion is that we pay attention and take care of the issues that customers bring to our attention. To everyone's credit here (with the exception of a few haters who troll forums looking for any opportunity to rip something or someone), your willingness to provide comprehensive feedback ultimately improves the quality of the products you get from Holley, so keep up the good work.
02-21-2014, 12:11 AM
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We figured out that we had some hardware kits bagged on the shelf waiting to ship out with the next batch of new 302-2 pans and examined their contents to find all the bolts were in it...I have to assume bczee that your hardware bag somehow was shorted the two 6M x 1 x 16mm socket head cap screws that are to be included for attaching the pick-up tube to the engine.
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02-25-2014, 12:20 PM
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[/IMG]Yes blackHD...here's the same headers installed on a 72' Nova I have here currently that was used to prototyped the Nova specific exhaust systems we'll soon be releasing to go with the headers on your car (the 1st-gen F-body exhaust systems have already been released). The components shown are the 1-7/8" headers, which have 3" collectors, and the upcoming 3" Hooker Nova exhaust system.
[/IMG]Yes blackHD...here's the same headers installed on a 72' Nova I have here currently that was used to prototyped the Nova specific exhaust systems we'll soon be releasing to go with the headers on your car (the 1st-gen F-body exhaust systems have already been released). The components shown are the 1-7/8" headers, which have 3" collectors, and the upcoming 3" Hooker Nova exhaust system.
03-03-2014, 06:12 AM
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The release of the 4L80e crossmember will take another 3-4 months as there is still plenty of design work that needs to take place preceding the tool building phase. I've constructed a physical prototype for use as a limit sample during the upcoming CAD design effort, but that's as far as I've gotten at this point.
03-03-2014, 12:31 PM
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Todd, if push comes to shove and I have to use a different brand crossmember are there any that you would recommend? Looking for something that would be compatible with your products. Mounts, headers...
03-03-2014, 02:41 PM
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Either the G-Force or ATS units are good from a build quality perspective, but I don't have any idea if their transmission mounting pad height and installation geometries are compatible with the fore/aft engine position provided by the new Hooker engine mount kit.
03-03-2014, 06:07 PM
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Thanks Todd, crossing my fingers so that you don't encounter any major issues/delays with your crossmember.
03-03-2014, 07:17 PM
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I'm not anticipating any delays beyond what's typical as I already have the design geometry worked out in my head and just need to spill it out into the CAD model. The real time constraint on the release is the tooling build time requirements of the supplier and that usually takes 30-45 days to get that ironed out so they are able to produce the design per our print specifications.