How do i pull this motor and...
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How do i pull this motor and... i just bought a 1995 firebird and i want to pull the engine and trani out BUT i dont have a lift just a engine hoist jack and stands how do i do it?
How high does the car have to be jacked up?
Also i am putting a ls1 in this car it is going to be a track car only SO can i pull all the wires from under the dash are they necessary??? there will be NO air bags ac, radio pwr steering there are no pwr windows or doors.
What wires can i eliminate? and how just cut them?
i am starting to work on the car after Christmas
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How high does the car have to be jacked up?
Also i am putting a ls1 in this car it is going to be a track car only SO can i pull all the wires from under the dash are they necessary??? there will be NO air bags ac, radio pwr steering there are no pwr windows or doors.
What wires can i eliminate? and how just cut them?
i am starting to work on the car after Christmas
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You can probably rent an engine hoist/cherrypicker from a local equipment rental shop, or you could jack the front of the car way up and drop the engine and x-member out as a complete unit. I'd go the hoist route personally.
As for the wiring, that's a tall question. Yank out the underdash harness and you lose, for example, the starter solenoid switch wire. That might be important to you.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this, but I'd really recommend a Helms manual or alldata.com printout of your car and the donor LS1 vehicle so you can map out your wiring accurately. Your only hope here is that someone did that combination of car and donor LS1, and that they spent time typing up all their harness/connector pinouts to share.
As for the wiring, that's a tall question. Yank out the underdash harness and you lose, for example, the starter solenoid switch wire. That might be important to you.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this, but I'd really recommend a Helms manual or alldata.com printout of your car and the donor LS1 vehicle so you can map out your wiring accurately. Your only hope here is that someone did that combination of car and donor LS1, and that they spent time typing up all their harness/connector pinouts to share.
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How so??
i have all the time in the world this is a project not something that i plan on having finished in a weekend I am not a certified mechanic but i know alot about these cars i just havent pulled a motor with out a lift i know it can be done. so how?
i have all the time in the world this is a project not something that i plan on having finished in a weekend I am not a certified mechanic but i know alot about these cars i just havent pulled a motor with out a lift i know it can be done. so how?
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i also will not be using anything in the gauge cluster either i am making a custom one i am pulling the motor out of my 2001 with all the accessories starter trani everything with the exception of the harness and putting my stock motor back in (pulling my built motor out.
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I am a intuitive person as well and my theory is where there is a will where is a way.
The 93-02 all have basically the same frame right?? so the motor shouldn't be a problem to fit an i correct well screw the wires they can stay and be unused i was going to pull them to loose as much weight as possible i know its not much but what the hell every little bit counts,
as far as putting the ls1 in the body for this car and making it run.. thats shouldn't be a prob right??
The 93-02 all have basically the same frame right?? so the motor shouldn't be a problem to fit an i correct well screw the wires they can stay and be unused i was going to pull them to loose as much weight as possible i know its not much but what the hell every little bit counts,
as far as putting the ls1 in the body for this car and making it run.. thats shouldn't be a prob right??
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so what wireing will need to be changed when doing the motor swap just under hood wireing and pcm or more??
Thanks for the help i appreciate it. your making the future project much easier for me.
Thanks for the help i appreciate it. your making the future project much easier for me.
it should be simple to wire up these guys help out alot also are you talking about where to mount the chains if so pull the intake off the ls1 hook the chains to the front driver head and one end to the back passenger head and level it that is the way i pulled mine i had my jack stands maxed out with two jacks just in case and pulled the engine and tranny together good luck
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i am talking about bulling the 6 cyld. i want to get under the car and unbolt the drive shaft then set it down on its wheels unbolt the k member the some how hook a engine hoist to the car and lift the car up while the motor just sits on the k member and when the car is high enough pull the engine from under it??
can this be done and where do i hook the hoist to inorder to lift the car
can this be done and where do i hook the hoist to inorder to lift the car
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If you don't have a lift, you're not going to lift the whole car! It has to come out the top. Like flippincamaro said a few posts above.... bolt the chains from the engine hoist to the front and back of the heads, one on the front left, the other on the rear right. Remove driveshaft. Start to lift engine. Unbolt motor and tranny mounts. Lift engine and transmission out together. A load leveler would make it much easier. This is how engines were removed from cars before there were unitized bodies and subframes; and this is how it is done when you can't lift the entire car.
As for the wiring.... my suggestion is to leave everything in there, get the car running. Then when everything works, get rid of any wire that isn't hooked up.
If you don't have a lift, you're not going to lift the whole car! It has to come out the top. Like flippincamaro said a few posts above.... bolt the chains from the engine hoist to the front and back of the heads, one on the front left, the other on the rear right. Remove driveshaft. Start to lift engine. Unbolt motor and tranny mounts. Lift engine and transmission out together. A load leveler would make it much easier. This is how engines were removed from cars before there were unitized bodies and subframes; and this is how it is done when you can't lift the entire car.
As for the wiring.... my suggestion is to leave everything in there, get the car running. Then when everything works, get rid of any wire that isn't hooked up.
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I'll try.
If you don't have a lift, you're not going to lift the whole car! It has to come out the top. Like flippincamaro said a few posts above.... bolt the chains from the engine hoist to the front and back of the heads, one on the front left, the other on the rear right. Remove driveshaft. Start to lift engine. Unbolt motor and tranny mounts. Lift engine and transmission out together. A load leveler would make it much easier. This is how engines were removed from cars before there were unitized bodies and subframes; and this is how it is done when you can't lift the entire car.
As for the wiring.... my suggestion is to leave everything in there, get the car running. Then when everything works, get rid of any wire that isn't hooked up.
If you don't have a lift, you're not going to lift the whole car! It has to come out the top. Like flippincamaro said a few posts above.... bolt the chains from the engine hoist to the front and back of the heads, one on the front left, the other on the rear right. Remove driveshaft. Start to lift engine. Unbolt motor and tranny mounts. Lift engine and transmission out together. A load leveler would make it much easier. This is how engines were removed from cars before there were unitized bodies and subframes; and this is how it is done when you can't lift the entire car.
As for the wiring.... my suggestion is to leave everything in there, get the car running. Then when everything works, get rid of any wire that isn't hooked up.
i didn't think that these motors can fit out the top i thought that is why everyone pulled them from the bottom?? is it just 6cyld's chat can come out the top?
I pulled my lt1 with tranny out the top pulled the ls1 with tranny out the top just have to have it just right it takes a lil time lift slid out lift slide out and then the tailshaft will come right on out for you
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I'd take the motor out the top...it's not that hard... As for the wiring, if you're turning it into a race car only, then get a painless 18 curcuit harness, rewire the whole car with what you need. Then get a Fast or Big Stuff engine management for running the LS1 without all the other BS, that comes in the factory harness. That way you can strip everything from under the dash and rewire it to your liking. That's probably the route the 95 I'm working on right now is going to go.
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I have done it both ways. It's easier out the bottom, but it's not too bad out the top. Just pull all the accessories, the intake manifold, and probably the balancer, and you're good to go. As stated, bolt the chain to the heads.
For example, here's me putting the motor in my 94Z, without even removing the hood.
http://www.akmcables.com/l99.htm
LT1's can use the TPIS "Happy Hooker", which bolts to the top of the intake. Makes it a snap to drop in.
For example, here's me putting the motor in my 94Z, without even removing the hood.
http://www.akmcables.com/l99.htm
LT1's can use the TPIS "Happy Hooker", which bolts to the top of the intake. Makes it a snap to drop in.