J-Rod

11-19-2001 06:09 PM

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Next I mounted up a set of ET Streets and took the car to the track in this case, the car finally went into the 11s. Using the ET streets helped me in learning what the cars limits were, and actually helped me do a LOT better on the radials.

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11.960 @ 113.52 Bone Stock
Well, I went to HRP this evening on my new ET Streets. I made about 8 passes. There was about 6" of rain yesterday, so the track had been prepped right before rans began. I left at about 3500 and bogged the car and went a 12.22. I went to 4000 and the car bogged and went a 12.10. I was hot-lapping the car and my temps were in the 205 range. I continued to increase the launch rpms until I launched at 5200 rpm and came away with a 1.75 60' 11.96@113.52 I was warned by tech that one more 11 sec pass and I would be kicked out. I cooled the car to 190 degrees and went to launch the car at 5500 rpm. It resulted in a 1.69 60' time. But, I hit the rev limiter and blew the run. I came away with a 1.697 60' 11.98@112.54. Had I not blown the shifts I feel confident it would have been an 11.91 pass.

And as the title says, the car is bone stock no mods, no filter, no nothing. Just tires...

I will have a scan of the timeslips ready in the next day or so, and I will post them also.

12-15-2001 03:21 AM

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Next I decided to go out an work on the radials again. As you can see the ET Streets helped my skills on the stock radials.

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12.181@112.21 on Radials
Well, I had a chance to go out to HRP Sunday for some "instant green" racing.

My car was on Empty, so I debated on whether to go run on the ET streets and run a light fuel load, or whether to top it off for some ballast and run on the stock radials.

Since I had managed to run the 11.96 on the ET streets the last time out, I decided to go work on my radial tire skills.

I was late getting out there, and the track was packed. I was only able to get three passes in.

The first pass I launched the car at about 3000 Rpm and slipped the clutch. The clutch seemed to stick at about 3/4 of the way when I released it. It popped loose towards the top of 1st gear. I had not encountered this before in the Z. I hope this was a one time event, but I will be keeping an eye on this.

The launch RPM seemed to be low, and the car didn't move as hard as I wanted. Also, as usual on my first run, I banged the rev limiter twice. Usually my first run is a total blow off run , and then I get settled down and actually drive like I am supposed to. Instead of like a total goober. The timeslip reflected this.

60' - 1.947
330 -5.233
1/8 - 7.967
mph - 91.13
1000 - 10.298
1/4 - 12.280
mph - 112.35

I decided to weigh the car with a full ( and I mean completely FULL) load of fuel. The car weighed 3150 without me, and 3338 with me.

The next pass, I was in the lanes, and the guy in front wanted to race me. He was driving a mid 90's white Mustang LX. So, I said sure. He also said that he owned a WS6. He and his friends were nice, and we talked for a few minutes.

We staged the cars, he staged last and they dropped the light on us. He got me out of the hole by about a car length. I launced again at around 3000, since I didn't want to go up in smoke against a rustang.

The car launched about the same, maybe a little less. But, the car started to spin towards the end of of 1st and bumped the rev limiter. I had to chop throttle and shift It also wheelhopped a bit as it went into 2nd. By this point I was 1 to 1 1/2 car lengths behing the mustang. In 2nd nothing changed drastically. But when I stuck it in 3rd, the tables turned. I went from 1 length behind to 3 lengths in front. As most folks have noted the car really works in 3rd gear. I was happy that I beat him, but it was definitely not the best pass I ever made.

60' - 1.973
330 - 5.366
1/8 - 8.120
mph - 90.54
1000 - 10.463
1/4 - 12.445
mph - 114.32

The final pass was at the end of the night. I had hot lapped the car back around, and the temperature was around 205 degrees. I went to pull up, to do my burnout, and watched the car in fron of me leave. It was some silly kid in a 85 LX. He spun hard leaving and got completely sideways at the 330' mark and stopped inches from hitting the wall head on. He also took out the timing markers as he slid sideways. This idiot was spinning when he left and should have chopped throttle long before he got sideways. His car was drifting all over the place and probably ran all of a 15.1. They got on the radio after his little stunt and had someone go find him, and throw him out of the track.

Anyhow, they got the track cleaned off, and put in a new reflector, and I finally got to make my pass. They let me make my last pass by myself. I decide to try and raise the launch rpm, since I the night was over. I launched at about 4200. The car launched much better this time. I was able to keep my revs in the 5000 range all the way through 1st. The car didn't feel like it was spinning at all in 1st. The pass felt good all the way until I got to the 3-4 shift. I got greedy trying to stretch 3rd and bumped the limiter. I knew it cost me some time and mph.

Anyhow, I picked up my slip, and I was happy to see that the car had improved.

60' - 1.903
330 - 5.165
1/8 - 7.873
mph - 91.54
1000 - 10.200
1/4 - 12.181
mph - 112.21

Looks like the rev limiter was worth at least 2 mph and I would guess probably a tenth of a second. Anyhow, I am going to try and go next time and see if I can get those radial times into the magical 12.0 - 11.99 range.


Last edited by J-Rod on 01-29-2002 at 08:12 AM

01-28-2002 06:34 PM

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I went out the next weekend and made my fastest pass to date. 1.85 -60' / 11.933@114.52. I have since gone faster in the 60', but I am having clutch problems (not with it slipping, but with the pedal sticking to the floor). Until that is resolved, I probably will not be getting into the 11.80's. But anyway, my goal for the next few months is to get into the 11.80s or faster on the stock radials.

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11.933@114.52 Bone Stock on Radials
Well I went out to HRP this evening for a little instant green action. It was cold and windy tonight the weather shows 7mph, but, think it was closer to 10-15. The temperature was between 48 and 51 degrees when I got there and went down to 45 when I left.

Current Temp: 45 °F
Wind Chill: 41 °F
Wind: north at 7 mph
Humidity: 58%
Dewpoint: 31 °F
Barometer: 30.46 " and rising


The wind was blowing straight down the track, so you were running into a headwind.

My first pass was my usual blow off pass. I launched to hard and the car spun. 2.218 60' - 12.571@113.61

My next pass felt pretty good. Not great, but good. The car launched ok, I hit the rev limikter in 1st, but the rest of the pass was pretty solid. I got pulled over at the timing stand.

60' - 1.915
330 - 5.130
1/8 - 7.777
mph - 93.56
1000 - 10.055
1/4 - 11.992
mph - 114.73

Ok, I was given the warning and sent back to tech for the usual "Don't do that again". Ok, sure

I tried to cool the car down since there wasn't much of a crowd, and I could almost drive right up to the line. I decided that if the pass felt the least bit off, I would abort it, and see if I could get a "good" run in.

I made two more passes. One felt good, but the clutch stuck to the floor again and didn't come off until the car hit the rev limiter in 1st.

It was a 1.919 60' 12.324@93.61 on the brakes hard.

The next pass I had the car cool, and then something screwed up on the far end, so I had to sit there with both bulbs on and staged and let the car get hot, and the tires get cold. The car spun so I just coasted down the track.

I brought the car back around the coolant was at 194. The car launched pretty hard for radials, and bumped the rev limiter in 1st. The pass felt solid, so I stayed with it.

When I got to the timing stand I got the usual grief. I went through all the hooplah, and picked up my slip.

60' - 1.852
330 - 5.055
1/8 - 7.709
mph - 93.32
1000 - 9.992
1/4 - 11.933
mph - 114.53

So, I guess its time for a cage either that, or I get 1 or 2 passes per trip to the track.

Anyhow, I met another new Z06 owner Brutus0725 he just traded in his 2000 coupe for a 2002 z06. He was out there with paper tags and running some 12.3s. Which I thought was good for a new car with limited seat time. He was really cool, and I had a good time talking with him. Anyhow, I was pleased to see the car picking up still.

And as always, the car is 100% bone stock down to the paper air filter, and these passes were made on the stock radials.

02-11-2002 02:18 AM

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J-Rod

Anyhow, I hope this helps anyone who want to race their stocker. I just wanted to point out, you probably aren't going to go to the track and in your first 3 passes turn an 11.9. Look at me, I sure didn't. It took some seat time and severla passes to get it all down. One thing I would suggest is to go out to the track early and try to get in as many passes as you can. We call this hot lapping. Don't worry about trying to run an 11.99. Just look at your slips. Make sure that every pass your times get better and better. Work on your launches, work on your shift points, etc... If you do 5 or 6 back to back passes you will be amazed at how your times start to drop. One of the things about doing this is doing them in rapid succesion help you get some "muscle memory" so this is more instinctive. One of the things about going to the strip is that many times it is over an hour between passes. By that time, the car may have cooled, but your body has forgotten what it did (right or wrong) on the last pass. Once you have a good technique down you can go to the track and get squared away in 1 or 2 passes.Consider it your crash course in drag racing 101. Doing that will conceivably save you 3 or 4 more trips to the track before you get your technique sorted out.

The only other advice I have is to drop the air pressure. I go with 22 in the rear and 50 in the front. Thats what works for me others have gone anywhere from 25 to 28. But dropping the pressure does work. So, play with that also.

The wheelspin I referred to in my 2nd trip to the track was early on. My experiences with ET Streets helped me get a feel for what
the car would do, and what I needed to be doing with the clutch.

As for the 60' times. The higher I rev it, the lower the 60' times.
My best 60' have been leaving at 4700-5500. Yes, this could be characterized by saying it is probably not condusive to long clutch life. Leaving at 3200-3500 typically gets me in the 1.9s.

For instance the other night, I left at 4700 and cut a 1.75 60'. The only problem as I stated was the clutch stayed glued most of the way down. When I went to pull 2nd I didn't have enough pedal to disengage the clutch. I missed the shift, had to lift off the throttle, and then pull it into second. That pass was a 12.2@114... So I feel pretty confident it would have been a VERY good pass otherwise.

At this point my car is still 100% stock. I went 114.52 through the stock airfilter,etc... with the restrictive (although somewhat better) 2002 cover in place. My mph seems to show about a 1-2 mph improvement by pulling the cover off and leaving the just the frame around the filter, but simply wire tied into place. As I said, I hope to be testing as soon as I have my clutch woes resolved. I think my next point of attack is to flip the box over and have it have a better shot at the incoming air. I think this may be beneficial. I simply have to get a piece of hose to run over to the other side of the box to relocate the breather hose which is plumbed into the box on the driver's side. I could just drill a hole in the passenger side, relocate it, and put a grommet in the old hole, but I prefer to leave it as stock as possible.

I had posted a compilation of this in another forum, but thought that the information might be helpful to some of you also. So excuse me if you have already seen this "elsewhere".

J-Rod

11-18-2002

New personal best 11.802@116.07 - Bone Stock
Well, I have had the car back for awhile since getting a new clutch installed. I had driven about 200-300 easy miles trying to "season" the new clutch and make sure it was "bedded" in properly before making any passes in the car. Last night was supposed to get cold (like down in the 40's). So, I decided that I would go out to HRP to try and make some passes in the car.

Rather than go out and smoke the brand new clutch, I decided that I would take the car out on ET Streets. I have cut about the same 60' on the radials vs the ET Streets, the main difference is that on the ET Streets I can "pop" the clutch rather than "ride it out" like I do on the radials. I think this is much easier on the stock clutch which is what I am after right now. I really don't want to have to put another clutch in anytime soon.

I was able to get in 9 passes from 6:45 to 10:30.

I ran the car with 14psi in the rears. On the first pass I pulled a good burnout since I hadn't used the ET Streets in many months. I staged the car and brought it up to 5000. It was "instant green", so R/T is immaterial. The car acted really stupid at this point. I un-clutched it and it rolled out, but it didn't feel quite right. I went to pull 2nd and discovered why. The clutch was stuck to the floor again. This time it was stuck, and slipping badly. To put it mildly, I was very upset. I chopped throttle, and the clutch pedal sprung back up. I put the car into second and finished that pass. I picked up the slip at the timing tower to find out I had run a whopping 12.842@114.79...

60 - 1.839
330 - 5.693
1/8 - 8.522
mph - 89.08
1000 - 10.873
1/4 12.842
mph - 114.79

Now I was a bit worried. Was a stock clutch going to be able to hold the car on ET Streets? Why was my clutch acting so stupid. I decided that the possibility was there that perhaps the new clutch needed a good pass to get settled in, and that even though I had made some easy passes on the street, that perhaps the first pass on the new clutch should have been a bit easier.

I let the car cool down, and put it back in line.

For the next pass I was lined up beside an open headered 68 Camaro. I indicated to the official that I didn't want to run that car since I couldn't hear, and besides in many cases I don't run some of those cars since many have a tendency to have way too much motor for way too little chassis. He didn't see things my way and indicated that I had to run this car. Things got a bit heated and he told me if I didn't run that car I would be thrown out of the track. I knew this not to be the case, and that he was the person with whom you indicated if you wanted to line up with someone, etc...

I am supposed to be the next car making a pass, but instead, I now am forced to pull out of line, and I was hot... I went up to the tower to talk to the officials. They directed me to the track manager (Linwood) who was lining up cars in the staging lanes. I went to talk to him. He told me not to worry that what I was doing was exactly what I was supposed to do. He told me to get back in line, and not worry about it. He got on the radio and called the guy I had problems with and explained things to him.

As I pulled back to the line the guy I had the issue with decided it was time to have a stare down contest. So, we stared each other down, and I made my pass... As a side note, I made 8 more passes and declined running several cars. I also set up races with a couple of other Vettes. He didn't give me any more static.

This time I decided to lauch at around 4000 RPM. Went through my usual routine and got the car staged. I launched, and the car bogged. The pass was better, the clutch seemed to stick well, but as I said the car bogged.

60 - 1.792
330 - 5.095
1/8 - 7.792
mph - 92.23
1000 - 10.092
1/4 - 12.038
mph - 115.91

The next pass was about he same except I launched the car @ 4500. The car bogged even worse than the launch @ 4000. And, I slowed down a hundredth. But in both passes the clutch seemed to stick with no real hints of slippage. Also, the clutch wasn't getting stinky. The time slip was as follows:

60 - 1.807
330 - 5.136
1/8 - 7.820
mph - 92.57
1000 - 10.109
1/4 - 12.042
mph - 116.69

Temperature had started out in the mid 60's with low humidity. As night fall came it began to cool off, but the humidity came up. DA was in the -100s, and was fluctuating up and down but showing a generally downward slope.

I began moving my launch RPMs up on each successive pass. The next pass I went back to my original 5000 RPM, and the clutch stuck with no problem. As in the previous passes the car "hit the tires" resulting in just a bit of wheel spin followed by the car bogging just a bit. The results were better, and I felt like I was moving in the right direction.

60 - 1.746
330 - 5.037
1/8 - 7.716
mph - 92.57
1000 - 10.005
1/4 - 11.935
mph - 116.79

A look at the weather station showed that we were looking at about a -460DA. Temperature was about 58F. 78% humidity and the barometer was at 30.08.

The 11.935 was the second best time I had made in the car to date. The 11.933 I had run last year was with a 1.85 60' and the mph was 114.52. That run was with the stock cover on the air box, and on the stock F1SC radials.

For the next pass I decided to move past my 5000 rpm launch window and look to launch around 5200 or so. The car launched clean, and the pass felt very good. And then tragedy struck. I did something that I haven't done in a long time, and something I have never done in the Z. I missed the 3-4 shift. Here I am cooking along on a textbook and I crunch 4th. I could not believe it. Once I missed it I just pushed the clutch in and coasted the rest of the way down the track. I picked up my time slip which further re-enforced my belief that this was a pretty good pass. Up until I blew it...

60 - 1.689
330 - 4.946
1/8 - 7.622
mph - 92.70
1000 - 9.916
1/4 - 12.035
mph - 101.34

One thing I did notice was that the clutch pedal seems to be a bit soft after my burnout. So, I decided to test something which seemed to help a bit. After I pulled my burnout, I would roll up, turn on the pre-stage beam, and then pump the clutch 4 or 5 times. This seemed to help out on pedal firmness.

I brought the car back around for the next pass. Again, I moved my launch rpm up a bit more. I brought it up to about 5500. Again, the car would "hit the tires" as it did on all previous passes. It would spin them for about 10 feet, bog slightly as it hooked and then just move out. I was able to power shift the car without any problem, and I could not hear the car "hit the tires" on any of my other shifts.

60 - 1.687
330 - 4.945
1/8 - 7.630
mph - 92.51
1000 - 9.924
1/4 - 11.865
mph - 116.27

The DA for that run was about -412. As I said, it would fluctuate up and down, but showed a general downward trend.

The next pass I was lined up with another Z06. I had a Vortex on it, but was otherwise stock (performance wise). I had given its owner a few tips after his first couple of passes and he had been able to drop over .5 by making a few changes to his driving style. He was quite happy with he cars performance thus far especially since he was able to drop .5 and pick up several MPH.

He rolled all the way in, so as soon as I turned on the second beam the dropped the tree. I was not ready and he just left on me. I was bring the revs up, and just dumped the clutch at about 5500. Instead of "popping" the clutch this was almost more like one of my radial tire launches. I ran the other guy down quickly and ended up beating him by about 3-4 lengths. After the pass he explained that he had missed 4th and had run a 12.80.

I picked up my slip at the timing booth and was pleased to see the following:

60 - 1.685
330 - 4.909
1/8 - 7.594
mph - 92-54
1000 - 9.890
1/4 - 11.831
mph - 116.04

They had a couple of kids working the booth, and they just handed me my slip and smiled. No one asked me about a cage the whole night... Life at this point was looking good. The lines were starting to get shorter as it was getting late. This meant my passes were getting closer together. I started to smell a bit of clutch stink, and new it was probably best if I wrapped things up pretty soon.

I lined up for my next pass and decided to launch @ 6000 to see if the car would do any better. It hit the tires and spun about 10ft or so. The rest of the pass felt pretty good. I picked up my slip and was both happy, and just a bit disappointed.

60 - 1.708
330 - 4.908
1/8 - 7.576
mph - 92.85
1000 - 9.866
1/4 - 11.802
mph - 116.55

I was .003 away from an 11.79. I know, I know. An 11.80 in a stock Z06 is pretty darn cool. But an 11.70 would have been even cooler. I decided that I would make one more pass for the night in an effort to see if there was an 11.70 in the cards.

I pulled the car around and quickly and got back into line. By this time there were only 1 line of cars left that were lined up to run. They put us in another line, and I was 4th or 5th in that group. They pulled us around and I lined up to make what would hopefully be my best pass yet.

I pulled my burnout, and they dropped the tree. The car hit the tires and spun, but this time I noticed that it hit the tires on every gear change. I knew this meant one of two things either the car was pulling even harder and I was on one whale of a pass, or the track was going away. When I picked up my slip I discovered it to be the latter.

60 - 1.673
330 - 4.955
1/8 - 7.643
mph - 92.26
1000 - 9.942
1/4 - 11.884
mph - 116.07

J-Rod

The track was finally getting cold enough that it wasn't going to hook anymore. So, I decided to take the car to the shop and put it up for the night. All in all I was pretty happy with the cars performance. One of the things I did note out there was the Blu-By-U was out there wit his car. He recently installed the VaraRam on his car. We started comparing time slips. Now, keep in mind he was on Drag Radials and I was on ET Streets. But, he was trapping 3 mph faster than me at the 1/8 mile. Most of my times were in the 92's he was trapping 95 and running almost 118mph trap speeds. His ETs were down to mine, but that can be explained by the differences in our launches. I found this to be very interesting. Now, one other thing to consider is that the ET Street @ 14psi does have a lot more rolling resistance than a drag radial. But, I still found 3mph to be quite impressive considering the softer launches.

I guess I will have to wait for that -3500 DA day when it is 45-50 degrees, around 40% humidity, and over 30.xx on the barometer. If I can get one of those days I feel pretty certain a 11.70 or perhaps even an 11.60 can be had...


1-24-2003

New Personal best in Stock 2002 Z06 - 11.596@118.53
My Dad and I went out to Houston Raceway Park tonight to make some passes in the Z06. Dad was videoing the car, and watching how the car was leaving. The weather yesterday was ideal. The big question was, would it last. The answer was no. The weather late in the afternoon was on its way to worsening. It was going to be a race to see if I could make it to the track and get some passes in before the track got too cold, and the weather got too bad. When I got there there were a few guys I know running (Mike Texas SS,mmiller, DJ99SS). They reported the track was hooking and the cars were flying (which was what I wanted to hear. I had planned on being there when the gates opened, but got there an hour late. I made my first pass at 6:16 and it turned out to be my best.

I had my ET Streets set @ 20psi. When I launched the car, the clutch stuck to the floor. Rather than lift, I went ahead and drove it trough. I made the 1-2 shift, and the clutch stuck again. Once I pulled third it popped off the floor. It didn't feel like second pulled as it should, and I didn't expect it to be a good pass. But i was suprised to see I had a new personal best.

60' - 1.675
330 - 4.822
1/8 - 7.442
mph - 94.62
1000 - 9.692
1/4 - 11.596
mph - 118.53

I hustled the car back around and gor it set up for the next pass. The air was so cold outside that as soon as I drove up the return road, the car was already cooled down. I figured that the clutch would probably engage like it should on this pass. It has messed up on the first pass once before.

I was right. After I pulled my burnout, I launched the car. This time it hazed the tires most of the way through first gear. So, I knew I needed to drop the air pressure a bit. I picked up my slip and saw that the car had slowed a bit.

60' - 1.706
330 - 4.911
1/8 - 7.538
MPH - 94.38
1000 - 9.792
1/4 - 11.698
MPH - 118.45

I brought the car back around to make another pass. This time as I was about to make my pass, someone oiled the track down. So, we had to wait 30 minutes while they cleaned and prepped the track. By this time it was dark, the temp was dropping, and the wind was blowing fully out of the east. The car was cooled down after this delay, and I figured that this was going to be my best chance at making another good pass. I dropped the air pressure to 17psi to see if I could ge the car to hook.

I pulled my burnout, and launched the car. This time it spun a bit, but when it hooked it bogged just a bit. But, it felt like a decent pass. The track was getting cold, and the car was starting to move around on the big end. I picked up my slip and was disappointed.

60' - 1.655
330 - 4.822
1/8 - 7.442
mph - 94.33
1000 - 9.702
1/4 - 11.616
mph - 117.86

The next pass the car went stright, but just feel off a bit more in performance.

60 - 1.655
330 - 4.865
1/8 - 7.516
mph - 93.52
1000 - 9.789
1/4 - 11.711
mph - 117.33

There was a pretty good cross wind blowing across the track. I decied that I would make one more pass. If the car fell off again, I would hang it up for the night. I figured my window had passed me by. I launched the car it rolled out hard, but once I got into third the car began to drift. I stayed with it until I was in 4th. The car began to move too much, rather than stick it on the wall, I put it in neutral and coasted though.

60 - 1.619
330 - 4.785
1/8 - 7.429
mph - 93.74
1000 - 11.684
MPH - 108.45

Well, there went my best pass of the night. From the looks of the 1/8 mile split, it was on its way to a low 11.5x pass. Probably around a 11.54 - 11.52...

At the timing window they asked me how the track was. I told them it was going away quickly on the big end. They shut it down to have a look. By this time I was frustrated and just decided to hang it up for the night. I might have made a better pass if I had stayed. But I will wait, and hope for another good air day is somewhere around the corner... Besides, I didn't want Dad turning into a posicle. He was standing out there in the cold with a camera while I was in the car (thanks Dad).

Before I left, I saw another Z06, a red one, about to make a pass. I went over and talked to the owner. It turned out to be Ryan Bell. He made his pass, and then I met him and a few friend of his back in the lanes. As always, it was nice meeting another fellow Z06 owner. Ryan was working on his launches. That combined with a cold track and rear tires set at 32psi was causing him to spin a bit, etc... Anyhow, I was about to leave, but he was staying around to make a few more passes. So, I left.

Anyhow, my quest for an 11.49 was thwarted, but at least I got into the 11.50's. I think if I had gotten there a bit earlier and got the tire pressure sorted out a bit sooner, the car would have laid down a better number. Oh well, all the speculation in the world is worthless. The only thing that matter is what is on the slip.

And again just for the record. The car is still bone stock, no aftermarket intake, no tuning, no headers, etc.... The only thing I have done to the car is put some ET Streets on, and pull the lid off the factory airbox.

10.5 Dave

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I made it to TNT tonight and saw a big improvement.With the ET Streets @18psi and the zip-tie mod I was able to lower my times.
1.912 60 ft
5.236 330 ft
7.940 1/8
91.11 mph
12.235 1/4
113.01 mph
I backed it up with a 12.297@114.99 about 40 minutes later.After that the teenagers watered down the track by driving thru the water box on street tires.I made 2 more frustrating passes,put the car in the trailer and drove home.The track I went too does the bare minimum for prep on TNT nights.If I was at a real track high 11's would have been doable.Oh well,I have a total of 20-22 passes in the car and have went faster every time out.I need to get to a better track in the next couple weeks before they close for the season.I may make the 1800 mile round trip to Thunder's race for some low elevation,sticky track racing.Thanks for all the help J-Rod.