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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by T-maxx
So the fastest C5 went 13.9 with Dr's. After that your " buddy " lost to a C5 that ran 13.5. Are you confused sir? You couldn't stir the pot if you tried!
Read the post carefully Einstein. The C5 that beat my buddy was M6 not an A4. I just got off the phone with him and he said that his clutch was slipping which accounted for his slower time (13.6- he normally was in the 13.2-3 range) he did find some of these posts baffling to say the least( and he's not talking about my posts either). This post concerns A4 C5's, the m6 C5 with a "good driver" is a lot faster. Again not trying to stir the pot just relaying 'real world 'experiences. .
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by H-5-L
It's the exact opposite here were i'm at.The f-body will rarely win stock for stock over here,same on the highway.At digital corvettes theres a huge street and 1/4 mile vid section,rarely does the f-body win there either.Not trying to stir the pot or anything,just giving facts and video.The c5 has a flatter torque curve and a different tune,tranny is sorta the same,the c5s is in the rear,and a c5 coupe with NON runflats gets a way better bite off the line than with the stock run flats,and that transfers all the way down the track.
I wouldn't call the f-body "lonely old",i love the f-bodies and used to have one,and like i said earlier,i used to beat my buddy's 6 speed with my stock c5 auto.Said my piece,laterz...
The f-body tune IS different. But both run rich from the factory. Both need improvement. I'm going off the results of my 2002 Firehawk and my buddies 380 Blackbird and they got different tunes from GMMG and the '02 Firehawks recieved a tune along with the rest of the 345 hp package.

*I could beat my friend's '00 z/28 and I could beat my boss's 01' C5.* Period.

And I'm just going off published (magazine) dyno shoot outs.(rwhp between f-body,C5) Especailly when the f-body recieved the LS1 in '98.

Here in Atlanta we're mostly track ****** (Commerce and SDR) and it's a toss up between the two on a drag strip. Whatever, who cares? If you see one race 'em and find out. Of course, my 420 rwhp isn't even fair anymore compared to all the stock (or intake/exhaust) C5's driven by old guys around here.
I'm out. Peace.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
The f-body tune IS different. But both run rich from the factory. Both need improvement. I'm going off the results of my 2002 Firehawk and my buddies 380 Blackbird and they got different tunes from GMMG and the '02 Firehawks recieved a tune along with the rest of the 345 hp package.

*I could beat my friend's '00 z/28 and I could beat my boss's 01' C5.* Period.

And I'm just going off published (magazine) dyno shoot outs.(rwhp between f-body,C5) Especailly when the f-body recieved the LS1 in '98.

Here in Atlanta we're mostly track ****** (Commerce and SDR) and it's a toss up between the two on a drag strip. Whatever, who cares? If you see one race 'em and find out. Of course, my 420 rwhp isn't even fair anymore compared to all the stock (or intake/exhaust) C5's driven by old guys around here.
I'm out. Peace.
My friends 00 M6 T/A showed up at a Corvette dyno day at Morgan Motorsports ( Reseda Cali.)- the only F-Bod of 20 cars. His car dynoed 2nd highest and he only had a lid , cutout and gutted cat. Some of the vettes were stock and didn't even hit 300 rwhp. My 01 SS hit 308 rwhp bone stock.

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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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i'm not going to argue with hear/say,i know what i see and race.

But,i lived in resada,tazana,sherman oaks,woodland hills,one of the high schools i went to was El Camino Real,i was in 10th grade in 82',thats when high school was 10th 11th and 12th,now i believe there 4 year high schools.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
If you see one race 'em and find out.
I'm out. Peace.
Have you been reading my posts,iv'e raced tons of f-bodies.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by H-5-L
Have you been reading my posts,iv'e raced tons of f-bodies.
So what?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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Ah, yes, bench racing at its best. The question was , Is It Possible That A Corvette Get Beat By A Camaro SS By Lengths - I say "yes" and I'm a Corvette guy through and through. BUT, there's only one way to find out....
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
So what?
Hey punk,he said,"race one some time",i replied...
Obviously you give a **** cause you keep buttin in....so tuff keyboard jockey...
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by H-5-L
Hey punk,he said,"race one some time",i replied...
Obviously you give a **** cause you keep buttin in....so tuff keyboard jockey...
10,000 miles apart. I'm not going to carry on the keyboard Rambo thing with you. Go race a few more f-bodies kiddo.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 12:11 AM
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tonight i raced one of my own, a 98 A4 2.73 C5 with an intake just like me. we raced from a dig twice. 1st gear even, pulled him throu 2nd and 3rd, up to 100 and by that time i had 3 cars on him and pullin somethin is definitely up with those early years C5's

edit: my mistake, i raced him with exhaust, but i don't think that made much of a difference, if any.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
F-bodies dyno higher at the wheels because of less drivetrain loss. F-bodies only weigh 200 max pounds more than the 'Vette.

Same engine,tranny,horsepower with less parasitic loss on the f-body and just a lil' more weight than the 'Vette. Is it to hard too believe that the Camaro SS can't stomp the high and mighty $20,000 more expensive Corvette?

When my Firehawk was bone stock it kicked my ex-bosses '01 C5-A4 by almost a car and a half up to 90 mph where he shut down. And I was pulling faster at that point, that's why he stopped racing.
Not get off topic but an LS1 F body weigh's almost 350 lbs more than a C5. Thats a real world #. I have access to a state certified Fairbanks scale 5 days a week. That is a sick polishing job on the motor btw
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 11:41 PM
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In 2001 the LS1 corvette was given more torque. Something to the tune of 25 ftlbs i think?

I didn't take the time to look it up again but you can find the information at

Corvette Action Center

Just go to the Tech tab.

Then click model.

If you go under ..bah..screw it..i'll link it direct..

2001 Corvette hp and tq improvement
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
Of course, my 420 rwhp isn't even fair anymore compared to all the stock (or intake/exhaust) C5's driven by old guys around here.

I'm an old, bald guy with a Corvette... only mods are intake/exhaust. Do I count?

To the OP, I think it's possible that in a race the 02 SS would beat a 97 A4 C5. I had a 2001 WS6 TA 6spd that ran 12.7 with a lid and DRs (crappy 1.92 60' - timeslip), so I know that the LS1 F-bodies are quick I've seen more than 1 local automagic F-body run in the 12s when stock (or mostly stock).
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WayneE
I'm an old, bald guy with a Corvette... only mods are intake/exhaust. Do I count?
Come on Wayne, you're younger than me, so you can't be old!

Good to see you're still around my friend!!
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Come on Wayne, you're younger than me, so you can't be old!

Good to see you're still around my friend!!

PATMAN! It's been a long time, hit me up at happyscrappyheropup@gmail.com and let me know how you've been.
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Slow Vette
tonight i raced one of my own, a 98 A4 2.73 C5 with an intake just like me. we raced from a dig twice. 1st gear even, pulled him throu 2nd and 3rd, up to 100 and by that time i had 3 cars on him and pullin somethin is definitely up with those early years C5's

edit: my mistake, i raced him with exhaust, but i don't think that made much of a difference, if any.
When all I had was vararam/catback I walked a full/bolton f-body. It's not the early year C5's, its just most C5 people suck at driving.
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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Eh,.........gee,... well , I hate to say I told you so,.....AGAIN!!! but,....I TOLD YOU SO!! the guy that discribed us as mostly guys with "thinning hair" nailed it, and when Ive tried to warn you in the past (allbeit on other forums) (witch oddly, we all seemed to wander too!) "These guys spend much more time out there on the perimeter". Translation,.........they are like, what we for the most part used to be like,.....oh,.........twenty years ago! where did all this come to me????? AT THE DRAG STRIP!!!!! 2FAST 4 LOV you want to chime in here? Now I for one am going to make a "small" effort to rectify this,....."somewhat"! What I have is a "99" C-5 F.R.C. I have a 3:42 rear gear, first I added the "big twin" cold air then "fixed" fog shrouds for real cold air,then the throttle body by pass and *160 thermostat! ( Too many of the corvette guys dont get this! heat is BAD,... YOUR MOTERS RUN TO HOT! No thats not true either!! the guys who designed these moters had a lot of crap from the goverment to deal with so thats why they did it! (They allways expected you to "FIX" it!) (Lets review,..HOT AND LEAN FULE, AIR MIX?????) Its all good,.......Those damn F-Body guys get It!!!! Im over it! Oh, I digress, then I went with the 'Bassini" lng. tube hedders, Hy-flow cats and X-Pipe and finnished with the B&B Bullets "big twins" Magna core wires and Iridium plugs & cool socks. Now I am NOT a drag racer, I have only made about 5 passes and to much time was in between runs(damn pacific raceway ) but my best time was a 13:01 and yes, I now know, I could have gotten 12s If I could learn to shift The worst damn transmission ever made!! anyway what Im getting ready to do Is the cam,...Torquer 2?? either rebuild my own heads or go with the new darts?? I dont really know as, what WE on the west coast must now deal with is the 'NEW EMMISION LAWS" Im not going to argue here what that means! we will all know soon enough! so does anyone know will I be able to pass emissions with this cam??? anyone?? Or should I ask the F-Body guys?? @The track,.. those guys do allright!!! And yes I think that guy can beat you! he more than likly spends MORE time,........"OUT there" on the "perimeter"! Unless you hot rod on a regular basis dont bet the farm!

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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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I have a 99 C5 and I took it on the track first chance I got as soon as I bought it. I ran consistent low 13s best was 13.38 @ 106.19MPH I am all stock other than a K&N Intake and running against the other f-bods and ss out there that were also stock i beat pretty much all of them. I dont see what the point of the people buying these cars for is all they are gonna do is cruise the slow lane in em but i'll be more than willin to race any SS that wants to pull next to me!
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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by perfectvillain
I have a 99 C5 and I took it on the track first chance I got as soon as I bought it. I ran consistent low 13s best was 13.38 @ 106.19MPH I am all stock other than a K&N Intake and running against the other f-bods and ss out there that were also stock i beat pretty much all of them. I dont see what the point of the people buying these cars for is all they are gonna do is cruise the slow lane in em but i'll be more than willin to race any SS that wants to pull next to me!
Eh,.....13:3 and your bragging????? I saw no fewer than 40 f- guys that were anywhere from low 11s to high 12s just two weeks ago! Most of them with street tires! I hate thse guys but I will not belittle them untill I can whip their ***! and that is a lot of $$$$ from now! We are not even one of the top markets for drag racing here,....Seattle but 13s are simply toooooo slow to talk trash arround here!
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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by perfectvillain
I have a 99 C5 and I took it on the track first chance I got as soon as I bought it. I ran consistent low 13s best was 13.38 @ 106.19MPH I am all stock other than a K&N Intake and running against the other f-bods and ss out there that were also stock i beat pretty much all of them. I dont see what the point of the people buying these cars for is all they are gonna do is cruise the slow lane in em but i'll be more than willin to race any SS that wants to pull next to me!
My buddy with an '02 T/A A4 with a MAF and a cutout and 2.73's no less ( on crappy GYR GSC's ran 13.24 @ 106. And that was his first time at the track. And that's at Carlsbad which was a crappy track.

I weighed my 01 SS at a digital scale and it came in at 3420 lbs--- does that mean that the C5's weigh 3070 lbs? I don't think so . I know the Z06 C5 was 3130 ( Pio's weighed 3080) but a vert C5 has to be in the 3400 lbs range atleast. T/A 's are about 100 lbs heavier than SS Camaro's . But Z28 Camaro's wiegh about 50 lbs lighter than an SS or 3370 lbs. I know the C5 are heavier than the Z06 but by how much ? No magazine #'s just real world experience.
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