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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:19 PM
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Question Guys with powersteering deleted come in

have a street strip 02 SS i still drive it alot around town it isnt a trailor queen. im just trying to squeeze everything out of her. i dont really want to delete the HVAC although its crossed my mind but how much weight would i lose deleting the power steering?

guys with manual steering how harder is the steering compared to power? i know on skinnies it wouldnt be that bad but on regular 10" wide tires i imagine itd be quite different. opinions please.

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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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Forget it on anything but skinnies.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tektrans
Forget it on anything but skinnies.
big PITA?
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tektrans
Forget it on anything but skinnies.
100% agree. I couldn't imagine it on the street even with skinnies lol
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CaMaRo67RS355
big PITA?
YUP! I have no p/s on 17x9 and it sucks. Makes the car feel like a million pounds. I am 100% putting p/s back on when the LSx goes in.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 04:53 PM
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how much what can be lost with changing from power to manual?
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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I did the no PS for a while and I agree = Armstrong steering.

I then went to a Spohn manual rack and it's much better. Bolted right in no problems.

Though the weight savings ? Don't know if that's accurate or not. But on the plus side, no PS Pump drag on the engine Acc. belt !
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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i drove with no power steering in my 99 trans am its not to bad at all when your driving but parking you def have to muscle it!!!!!
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Originally Posted by davidws6
I did the no PS for a while and I agree = Armstrong steering.

I then went to a Spohn manual rack and it's much better. Bolted right in no problems.

Though the weight savings ? Don't know if that's accurate or not. But on the plus side, no PS Pump drag on the engine Acc. belt !

What difference does an aftermarket rack have over just turning his current one into non p/s?? I would assume manual steering is manual steering. No?? I thought about it on my setup but I am just not ready for a manual rack setup.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 03 BUSA
What difference does an aftermarket rack have over just turning his current one into non p/s?? I would assume manual steering is manual steering. No?? I thought about it on my setup but I am just not ready for a manual rack setup.
A manual rack is geared differently and has more turns lock to lock. It is much different than simply disconnecting the power steering pump and muscling with the stock rack. You can modify the stock unit by pulling the check ball out of the valve assembly and grinding a slot in it. This will allow the fluid to transfer through instead of building pressure as you turn the wheel. It's a little better, but still not as good as a manual rack.

OP if you want to see what no power steering is like: get in your car, turn the key to the unlock position, and turn the wheel. If you pull the pump off that's how the car will steer. For the weight of the rack and PS pump go to the weight reduction sticky at the top of the page it should be listed there.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 07:59 PM
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i have a 97 ss no power steering with skinnes not bad.lil hard in parking lots but thats it.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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parking is a lil hard. moving isnt bad at all. feels like a big go cart. manual steering racks are geared different to make steering easier than running no PS and the stock rack

the wheel has more turns lock to lock with a manual rack? i figured it would be less turns
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nemss1
the wheel has more turns lock to lock with a manual rack? i figured it would be less turns
It is just like swapping from 2.73's to 4.11's. The 4.11's make it easier for the driveshaft to turn the rear wheels, but the shaft has to turn more revolutions to spin the tire a full rev. In this analogy the driveshaft = the steering shaft.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 5.3LJimmy
It is just like swapping from 2.73's to 4.11's. The 4.11's make it easier for the driveshaft to turn the rear wheels, but the shaft has to turn more revolutions to spin the tire a full rev. In this analogy the driveshaft = the steering shaft.
ok, i get it now. i just didnt put thought into it
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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Have you thought about an Electric Power Steering Pump ???
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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deleting the ps pump will only save 6-7 lbs. The extra hp freed up is pobably not measurable on a dyno. However, it does free up lots of space under the hood.

And who wants those leaky pressure lines anyways... Changing out o-rings gets old.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tee-boy
deleting the ps pump will only save 6-7 lbs. The extra hp freed up is pobably not measurable on a dyno. However, it does free up lots of space under the hood.

And who wants those leaky pressure lines anyways... Changing out o-rings gets old.
amen brotha
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by InsaneDomestics
Have you thought about an Electric Power Steering Pump ???
How much does one of those weigh? Seeing as the point of pulling the pump is to save weight, it would be silly to put more of it back in.
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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well my setup is a electric power steering pump i got off of ebay. you just hook up the two wires to a switch an the pump turns on an work with know problems. i had to make some customs ps lines. i put it under the fuzes on the driver side up front of the car. and it looks almost factory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqNKTVh5L8
this is the pump i got off of ebay
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 12:19 AM
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it weights less then the stock unit
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