Almost a new best....
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Re: Almost a new best.... [quote]Originally posted by Angie:
<strong>One other thing that we all have forgotten...he has a different motor now also. Jason has Paul's 45,000+ mile motor in his car. I guess broke-in may be better in this case <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
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Hey Angie, if you are still at the shop, can you email me those videos Paul took of my car yesterday? They are on his computer. I think they are jason1.mpg and jason2.mpg.
<strong>One other thing that we all have forgotten...he has a different motor now also. Jason has Paul's 45,000+ mile motor in his car. I guess broke-in may be better in this case <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Angie</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Angie, if you are still at the shop, can you email me those videos Paul took of my car yesterday? They are on his computer. I think they are jason1.mpg and jason2.mpg.
Re: Almost a new best.... [quote]
oh by the way there simi valley warrior, he runs a tenth slower than your stage 2 heads cam car with his stock long block.
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It's a moot point, there are guys running quicker than both of us with much less modification.
While we're on the subject of my car, I went from 12.88/105 1.8 60' to 11.73/116 1.73 60' adding only my MMS heads/cam (around $2400 retail price). For what that Thunder Racing solid roller setup cost I just expected a lot more, sorry.
oh by the way there simi valley warrior, he runs a tenth slower than your stage 2 heads cam car with his stock long block.
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It's a moot point, there are guys running quicker than both of us with much less modification.
While we're on the subject of my car, I went from 12.88/105 1.8 60' to 11.73/116 1.73 60' adding only my MMS heads/cam (around $2400 retail price). For what that Thunder Racing solid roller setup cost I just expected a lot more, sorry.
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Re: Almost a new best.... Ill edit this since you snuck in a reply before i hit the button. Its moot, but only because it is an unfair comparison just like the one you are bringing down by saying he gained .7. The conditions were not the same. Also, Jason has the fastest SI M6 car on this board as far as I know. 11.80, second is like an 11.89. But, A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT of people are faster than you with less mods <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0"> Not me though, I'm slow. But then again, I dont spend any money on my car either.
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Re: Almost a new best.... Like everyone said above, I think Terry just likes to start arguments from everyone. He seems to really enjoy it, so there is no need to keep feeding the troll.
Paul's car was running 109 traps before the swap and running 118 now, so I think the gains going from car to car are about right on. Actually, he will gain quite a bit more once he gets the shiftpoints fixed and a tranny that will shift above 6400. The car needs to be shifted at 6700 or so, so he is leaving some ET/MPH on the table there.
My car now has a LS6 intake and a 12-bolt/4:30s since I was running the B1 cam. I never was able to run the B1 in good air. The 11.90 pass was in 75* air. Last time I ran w/ the cam was in Memphis this summer (90+* air) and the car went 12.0x@115 on a 1.90 60' without skinnies (left my damn lugnuts at home..LOL). So, with some better air and a 12-bolt, I know the car would have been faster w/ the B1. My car is just setup up better now with the rearend/gears. This is one reason why I feel my car is doing so well now.
Jason
Paul's car was running 109 traps before the swap and running 118 now, so I think the gains going from car to car are about right on. Actually, he will gain quite a bit more once he gets the shiftpoints fixed and a tranny that will shift above 6400. The car needs to be shifted at 6700 or so, so he is leaving some ET/MPH on the table there.
My car now has a LS6 intake and a 12-bolt/4:30s since I was running the B1 cam. I never was able to run the B1 in good air. The 11.90 pass was in 75* air. Last time I ran w/ the cam was in Memphis this summer (90+* air) and the car went 12.0x@115 on a 1.90 60' without skinnies (left my damn lugnuts at home..LOL). So, with some better air and a 12-bolt, I know the car would have been faster w/ the B1. My car is just setup up better now with the rearend/gears. This is one reason why I feel my car is doing so well now.
Jason
Re: Almost a new best.... Ryan I think you're a little mixed up. Jason is running the exact same car with the exact same mods with the ONLY difference being that instead of his Thunder Racing solid roller camshaft / GTP head package he is now effectively running a stock long block. Explain to me how this isn't an apples to apples comparison?
If you insist on bringing up what my car is running, why not bring up what Paul's A4 car is running with the exact same solid roller motor we're talking about? 11.3 with a 1.51 60' time. If I threw in a 4800rpm stall in my car and got my 60' from 1.73 to 1.51 I'd be running right in the 11.3 range to, and I have the same short shifting problems and TM problems that Paul has. What does this have to do with Jason only picking up .7ths with his TR solid cam setup? Obviously nothing, you are simply trying to confuse the issue with non-topical nonsense because you have nothing.
BTW this was a reply to your deleted post.
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If you insist on bringing up what my car is running, why not bring up what Paul's A4 car is running with the exact same solid roller motor we're talking about? 11.3 with a 1.51 60' time. If I threw in a 4800rpm stall in my car and got my 60' from 1.73 to 1.51 I'd be running right in the 11.3 range to, and I have the same short shifting problems and TM problems that Paul has. What does this have to do with Jason only picking up .7ths with his TR solid cam setup? Obviously nothing, you are simply trying to confuse the issue with non-topical nonsense because you have nothing.
BTW this was a reply to your deleted post.
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Re: Almost a new best.... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
[QB]Ryan I think you're a little mixed up. Jason is running the exact same car with the exact same mods with the ONLY difference being that instead of his Thunder Racing solid roller camshaft / GTP head package he is now effectively running a stock long block. Explain to me how this isn't an apples to apples comparison?
If you insist on bringing up what my car is running, why not bring up what Paul's A4 car is running with the exact same solid roller motor we're talking about? 11.3 with a 1.51 60' time. If I threw in a 4800rpm stall in my car and got my 60' from 1.73 to 1.51 I'd be running right in the 11.3 range to.
Hmmm shoulda coulda woulda! Why bash someones set up and talk about what mine could do IF i had this or that,JUST GO DO IT! Don't put others down in a sneaky way. Your saying your makeing conversation but from what im reading on every post you posted on this thread is a sneaky way of stirring up the pot. You can't compare car to car,M6 to A4 because their all different in ways,track conditions,weather and suspension setup but im sure you know that...just you forgot to mention it in your posts. I'm sure paul will have the setup running strong by spring and will answer all your questions ET wise.
[QB]Ryan I think you're a little mixed up. Jason is running the exact same car with the exact same mods with the ONLY difference being that instead of his Thunder Racing solid roller camshaft / GTP head package he is now effectively running a stock long block. Explain to me how this isn't an apples to apples comparison?
If you insist on bringing up what my car is running, why not bring up what Paul's A4 car is running with the exact same solid roller motor we're talking about? 11.3 with a 1.51 60' time. If I threw in a 4800rpm stall in my car and got my 60' from 1.73 to 1.51 I'd be running right in the 11.3 range to.
Hmmm shoulda coulda woulda! Why bash someones set up and talk about what mine could do IF i had this or that,JUST GO DO IT! Don't put others down in a sneaky way. Your saying your makeing conversation but from what im reading on every post you posted on this thread is a sneaky way of stirring up the pot. You can't compare car to car,M6 to A4 because their all different in ways,track conditions,weather and suspension setup but im sure you know that...just you forgot to mention it in your posts. I'm sure paul will have the setup running strong by spring and will answer all your questions ET wise.
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Re: Almost a new best.... Congrats Jason! <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> I wish I could of gone to Hattiesburg to take advantage of the good air. <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0"> How are you dialing in the suspension?
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Re: Almost a new best.... thats great Jason , very close to mid 11s <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> ... at least 11.7 , thats will be AWESOME <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Also you trap speed is great <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Keep it up my friend
Good luck <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Also you trap speed is great <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Keep it up my friend
Good luck <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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Re: Almost a new best.... Justin, I'm trying to find what the car likes leaving off the line, especially with the HALs. I tried loosening the fronts some, which seemed to help for a bit. However, the track was not too consistent which made getting the shocks set correctly difficult.
Re: Almost a new best.... A lot of the reason Jason's car run's so well considering the mods is his driving. If you have never seen one of his runs on video, the kid can drive.....better than 95% of the people on this board. The tools are only as good as the man using them.
Almost 117 mph with a stock motor! <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0"> That fuggin awesome Jason. Congrats dude
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Almost 117 mph with a stock motor! <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0"> That fuggin awesome Jason. Congrats dude
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Re: Almost a new best.... That is my argument. Look how fast the car runs on the stock motor, which tells you something about why it's so fast with the modified motor.
If the weather conditions really did change a lot that could be affecting the results. We'll just have to see what Paul's car runs with the same motor in the same weather to determine.
If the weather conditions really did change a lot that could be affecting the results. We'll just have to see what Paul's car runs with the same motor in the same weather to determine.
Re: Almost a new best.... Pauls car ran those times on the shake down runs. Plus he is about 200 lbs heavier than jasons car when he ran his 11.16. Lets see...just take out the weight and you are right there with the times. I think once paul gets his quirks worked out he will be low low 11s knocking on 10s with a FULL WEIGHT street car.
Jason...well...hehehe. Glad your having fun with that car. 17 runs in a night is a blast.
Jason...well...hehehe. Glad your having fun with that car. 17 runs in a night is a blast.
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Re: Almost a new best.... I agree with you Tim H on the times Paul's car should and hopefully will run, but i dont agree on the weight. The car has slicks and skinnies, and a fiberglass hood. These ARE worth something. I think it's real easy to pitch weight #'s as high or low, especially considering that at times Jason's car itself has been pitched as "heavy". Did paul pull the Spare and Jack too?
I honestly think Jason's Solid setup was capable of high 10's with a few more trips to the track, but when the car only goes to the track twice it's not showing all its worth. I DO think that 11.16@125 is damn impressive when considering how few passes Jason made in the car with that setup, just the same as i recognize Paul has only had his car to the track twice (i think) with this set up. Look at how much you have run your car Tim (just like i have) to wring out every tenth.
So why act like either of the times discussed (both paul's and jason's) are all the cars are capable of.
Isnt Terry a dyno racer anyway? Was Jason's Dyno not impressive?
Has Paul's car been dyno'd?
I honestly think Jason's Solid setup was capable of high 10's with a few more trips to the track, but when the car only goes to the track twice it's not showing all its worth. I DO think that 11.16@125 is damn impressive when considering how few passes Jason made in the car with that setup, just the same as i recognize Paul has only had his car to the track twice (i think) with this set up. Look at how much you have run your car Tim (just like i have) to wring out every tenth.
So why act like either of the times discussed (both paul's and jason's) are all the cars are capable of.
Isnt Terry a dyno racer anyway? Was Jason's Dyno not impressive?
Has Paul's car been dyno'd?
Re: Almost a new best.... Mike, your right. Paul does run skinnies/slicks..but he is adding a roll cage with swing out bars that will make up for that. I'n not sure about the spare. My guess is its removed. So its an ALMOST full weight car..lol. Just as soon as the cage gets in it. I agree that jasons car had more in it with more track time. But that isnt gonna happen so we can't talk about that. I know it took me forever to get more out of my car. Its still not over yet. So two trips for either ov the above cars is just the beginning. YOur right...Terry is a dyno racer unless its outside of his circle..then nothing out there can compair and the rason they run crappy is they are racing under water or something like that.
By the way mike. Your car is movin man. You done with it yet or is more still to come? Maybe terry should junk his heads/cam and go back to stock since your faster than him and jason is only .1 slower. Sure seemed like a waste of money to me.
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By the way mike. Your car is movin man. You done with it yet or is more still to come? Maybe terry should junk his heads/cam and go back to stock since your faster than him and jason is only .1 slower. Sure seemed like a waste of money to me.
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Re: Almost a new best.... Tim,
I think I'm done with modding the car. I dont want to change the STOCK cam or STOCK heads--I'm pretty sure of that. I think I'm done with weight reduction too, as i can't see spending 400+ dollars for 35 pounds with the K member, or the hood, carpet, steering wheel, electric water pump, and the like.
I do think the car has a little more in it to be found in my sixty foot times (check my post in driveline section), and my new goal is to run an 11.56 =)
But, I'm also thinking about selling it for a 02 6 speed. Do you want to buy it?
I think I'm done with modding the car. I dont want to change the STOCK cam or STOCK heads--I'm pretty sure of that. I think I'm done with weight reduction too, as i can't see spending 400+ dollars for 35 pounds with the K member, or the hood, carpet, steering wheel, electric water pump, and the like.
I do think the car has a little more in it to be found in my sixty foot times (check my post in driveline section), and my new goal is to run an 11.56 =)
But, I'm also thinking about selling it for a 02 6 speed. Do you want to buy it?
Re: Almost a new best.... [quote]
So why act like either of the times discussed (both paul's and jason's) are all the cars are capable of.
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How can I evaluate anything but what the car has already run?
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Isnt Terry a dyno racer anyway? Was Jason's Dyno not impressive?
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I'm smart enough to comprehend that the dyno provides accurate and consistent insight in to how well a given engine package is working. Real racers evaluate both dyno figures and track times to get a fuller picture of combinations. Jason's dyno figures were not much better than some other hyd cam numbers I've seen. 435rwhp/400rwtq I believe.
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Has Paul's car been dyno'd?
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Good question... answer anyone?
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Sure seemed like a waste of money to me.
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My car went from 12.88 to 11.73 with the only change being heads/cam, more than a second decrease. Why are you telling me that .7ths for a solid roller cam / heads setup is a great gain? If it said on TR's website that with their $$ solid roller / ported head package you'd pick up .7ths, would anyone buy it? If its so great, why is Jason's car the only one that put down good MPH with it?
So why act like either of the times discussed (both paul's and jason's) are all the cars are capable of.
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How can I evaluate anything but what the car has already run?
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Isnt Terry a dyno racer anyway? Was Jason's Dyno not impressive?
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I'm smart enough to comprehend that the dyno provides accurate and consistent insight in to how well a given engine package is working. Real racers evaluate both dyno figures and track times to get a fuller picture of combinations. Jason's dyno figures were not much better than some other hyd cam numbers I've seen. 435rwhp/400rwtq I believe.
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Has Paul's car been dyno'd?
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Good question... answer anyone?
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Sure seemed like a waste of money to me.
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My car went from 12.88 to 11.73 with the only change being heads/cam, more than a second decrease. Why are you telling me that .7ths for a solid roller cam / heads setup is a great gain? If it said on TR's website that with their $$ solid roller / ported head package you'd pick up .7ths, would anyone buy it? If its so great, why is Jason's car the only one that put down good MPH with it?