Build Thread: Small Cube Terror - 2001 Formula
Not knocking you but I did find this amusing.... gotta keep that lockup, they're all street cars to me.
Then - - remove wipers, remove AC, remove power steering....lol.
F not having AC, but to each his own. I like my car cuz it's comfy. Padded leather seats, good radio, AC, and a steering wheel out of a 93 GMC dump truck.... ahhh.
Car looks great BTW and really looking forward to some dyno numbers, excited to see what it will spin to.
Then - - remove wipers, remove AC, remove power steering....lol.
F not having AC, but to each his own. I like my car cuz it's comfy. Padded leather seats, good radio, AC, and a steering wheel out of a 93 GMC dump truck.... ahhh.
Car looks great BTW and really looking forward to some dyno numbers, excited to see what it will spin to.
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Not knocking you but I did find this amusing.... gotta keep that lockup, they're all street cars to me.
Then - - remove wipers, remove AC, remove power steering....lol.
F not having AC, but to each his own. I like my car cuz it's comfy. Padded leather seats, good radio, AC, and a steering wheel out of a 93 GMC dump truck.... ahhh.
Car looks great BTW and really looking forward to some dyno numbers, excited to see what it will spin to.
Then - - remove wipers, remove AC, remove power steering....lol.
F not having AC, but to each his own. I like my car cuz it's comfy. Padded leather seats, good radio, AC, and a steering wheel out of a 93 GMC dump truck.... ahhh.
Car looks great BTW and really looking forward to some dyno numbers, excited to see what it will spin to.
Wipers aren't necessary for me to drive it on the street either. I did it more to control myself than for weight. I love driving my car, but I wanted to remove any and all temptation to drive the car if there's a chance of rain. Seemed like a pretty simple way to prevent that.
The lockup converter is actually something that will make a difference in being a reliable street car or not. A 5,200 stall converter will create a lot of heat when unlocked and driving around, which is going to do nothing but hurt the trans over time. So having the lockup function will serve a direct benefit to reliability and driveability on the street.
I get all of that and you are 100% correct that different people like different levels of comfort. Wasn't questioning the validity of your car or anything like that, just thought it was funny is all.
That's not a terrible idea, taking the wipers off to keep yourself off of the road when it rains. I'm new to the extreme DR thing, but I have zero interest in finding out how they handle rain. Luckily I avoid rain like the plague cuz my little cream puff car doesn't like getting wet in general.
And lockup IS 100% critical on something like that. 5,200 RPM , mother of G.
Again, just found it amusing, not knocking anything.
That's not a terrible idea, taking the wipers off to keep yourself off of the road when it rains. I'm new to the extreme DR thing, but I have zero interest in finding out how they handle rain. Luckily I avoid rain like the plague cuz my little cream puff car doesn't like getting wet in general.
And lockup IS 100% critical on something like that. 5,200 RPM , mother of G.
Again, just found it amusing, not knocking anything.
Very sorry to read about your loss, I cant even imagine something like that. Prayers to you and yours. Absolutely love formula's, especially SOM, cant wait to see the new results. Your previous results are what I'm shooting for with me 3k lb turd.
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I got it fired up Friday night and tuned it Saturday. I'll still need to lean out the idle some, but it starts great and it's responsive as hell.
The dyno graph only shows wheel speed and HP unfortunately. I was having issues with tach signal on my dyno so no torque readout. I'm hoping to have that sorted out soon. My target was 500 rwhp through the auto, S60 and 28" drag radial and I ended up with 500.63 so I'm happy for now. It pulled clean all the way to 7,200 rpm where I shut it down. I do feel there's more in it with a slightly colder plug, so I'm going to try a few different things on the dyno before going to the track Friday. We'll see what happens.
Video:
http://www.facebook.com/nskaats/vide...10647980698301
The dyno graph only shows wheel speed and HP unfortunately. I was having issues with tach signal on my dyno so no torque readout. I'm hoping to have that sorted out soon. My target was 500 rwhp through the auto, S60 and 28" drag radial and I ended up with 500.63 so I'm happy for now. It pulled clean all the way to 7,200 rpm where I shut it down. I do feel there's more in it with a slightly colder plug, so I'm going to try a few different things on the dyno before going to the track Friday. We'll see what happens.
Video:
http://www.facebook.com/nskaats/vide...10647980698301
Last edited by SOM WS9; Oct 3, 2016 at 09:59 AM.
Nice looking car you have there. Having Brian involved with specing out parts was very smart on your end. While the cam may not look "conventional", I'm 100% certain it's going to perform the way you want it to. Brian is top notch when it comes to this kind of stuff. Good luck the rest of the way.
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Nice looking car you have there. Having Brian involved with specing out parts was very smart on your end. While the cam may not look "conventional", I'm 100% certain it's going to perform the way you want it to. Brian is top notch when it comes to this kind of stuff. Good luck the rest of the way.
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I managed to get to the track a couple times and work on some tuning with the car as well. My first night at the track was about worthless. The track wasn't prepped worth a damn. All the car did was spin, but I at least got a few useful data logs out of it.
After my first session on the dyno and not being totally happy with the curve, I decided to make some changes. The power originally peaked at 6,200 RPM. Brian and I both felt it should have been closer to 6,600 or 6,700. I decided to try another 0.025" of lifter preload (0.065" total) and was rewarded with another 9 RWHP and the peak moved up to about 6,500 RPM. I may still go 0.025" further and see what happens.
I took another shot at the track that night since it was warmer. I made 4 passes, taking time to check plugs and carefully review data logs. The first pass I left soft thinking the track wouldn't hold. Luckily it dead hooked. I shut it off at the 1/8 anyway since the car doesn't have a cage in it yet. Next pass I tried leaving a little harder at about 1,900-2,000 RPM. When I dead hooked I decided to run it out the back and went 10.356 @ 126.92 on a 1.355 60'. I was pretty happy with that.
The following night I went to a different track to try working on it some more. The DA was about 1,500 ft higher and the track isn't known for being very radial friendly, so I wasn't looking to set the world on fire. I added 2% fuel up top and the car went 10.48 @ 128.5 MPH on a soft launch. I ended up adding some fuel all the way through and a little more timing down low. Ended up at 10.42 @ 129.14 on a 1.38 60' time so I was fairly happy with that.
I still have a lot of work to do to figure out what the combination will like, but I'm happy with the initial passes.
After my first session on the dyno and not being totally happy with the curve, I decided to make some changes. The power originally peaked at 6,200 RPM. Brian and I both felt it should have been closer to 6,600 or 6,700. I decided to try another 0.025" of lifter preload (0.065" total) and was rewarded with another 9 RWHP and the peak moved up to about 6,500 RPM. I may still go 0.025" further and see what happens.
I took another shot at the track that night since it was warmer. I made 4 passes, taking time to check plugs and carefully review data logs. The first pass I left soft thinking the track wouldn't hold. Luckily it dead hooked. I shut it off at the 1/8 anyway since the car doesn't have a cage in it yet. Next pass I tried leaving a little harder at about 1,900-2,000 RPM. When I dead hooked I decided to run it out the back and went 10.356 @ 126.92 on a 1.355 60'. I was pretty happy with that.
The following night I went to a different track to try working on it some more. The DA was about 1,500 ft higher and the track isn't known for being very radial friendly, so I wasn't looking to set the world on fire. I added 2% fuel up top and the car went 10.48 @ 128.5 MPH on a soft launch. I ended up adding some fuel all the way through and a little more timing down low. Ended up at 10.42 @ 129.14 on a 1.38 60' time so I was fairly happy with that.
I still have a lot of work to do to figure out what the combination will like, but I'm happy with the initial passes.
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I'd be happy to help. I've had cars sent to the shop from all over this half of the country.
Weight reduction will help significantly. Over the winter I'm going to try to get a bunch of things done and come out strong in the spring for some NMCA/LSX races as well as some local heads up stuff.
I'd be happy to help. I've had cars sent to the shop from all over this half of the country.
I'd be happy to help. I've had cars sent to the shop from all over this half of the country.
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I never did update this thread after my last day at the track. Unfortunately the starting line was ****, but I was still able to do some tuning that day. ETs were off because of the traction issue, but I picked up a few MPH that day. Ended up matching my best of 10.35 but went from 126.9 mph to 130.7 mph.
I have some changes to make before it comes back out including adding some more lifter preload, new tires, cage, and tracking down a driveline vibration. We'll see what happens when it's back out this spring.
I have some changes to make before it comes back out including adding some more lifter preload, new tires, cage, and tracking down a driveline vibration. We'll see what happens when it's back out this spring.
very nice build. 377 and my dart cathedrals are what my next build will be , spin it to 7500 and you may want to look into the mamofied msd intakes. seems to be a good intake for higher rpm over the fast.
subscribing, also man so sorry to read of your daughter. my heart ached for you when I read it as a father of 3 girls.
subscribing, also man so sorry to read of your daughter. my heart ached for you when I read it as a father of 3 girls.
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very nice build. 377 and my dart cathedrals are what my next build will be , spin it to 7500 and you may want to look into the mamofied msd intakes. seems to be a good intake for higher rpm over the fast.
subscribing, also man so sorry to read of your daughter. my heart ached for you when I read it as a father of 3 girls.
subscribing, also man so sorry to read of your daughter. my heart ached for you when I read it as a father of 3 girls.
I've considered going to the MSD manifold, but my impressions so far haven't been great. They do well for making power and might make it a little further in the RPM range, but the build quality has been less than impressive so far on the ones I've installed and tuned.
My FAST was ported by Brian and works very well. I'm looking for RPM anywhere I can get it, even if I have to make my own runners for the FAST.
Thanks for the kind words. It's been a struggle and something no parent should go through.
I've considered going to the MSD manifold, but my impressions so far haven't been great. They do well for making power and might make it a little further in the RPM range, but the build quality has been less than impressive so far on the ones I've installed and tuned.
My FAST was ported by Brian and works very well. I'm looking for RPM anywhere I can get it, even if I have to make my own runners for the FAST.
I've considered going to the MSD manifold, but my impressions so far haven't been great. They do well for making power and might make it a little further in the RPM range, but the build quality has been less than impressive so far on the ones I've installed and tuned.
My FAST was ported by Brian and works very well. I'm looking for RPM anywhere I can get it, even if I have to make my own runners for the FAST.
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There's varying opinions on the LLSRs. For the vast majority of the street/strip (or even just strip) applications you'll gain nothing going to a low lash setup. But it sure is a good way to spend money. If you're wanting to go with a more aggressive setup I'd personally go with a short travel hydraulic roller before I go low lash solid. Each application is different though so you have to choose accordingly.
the cam I run now carries rpm really well with stock lifters, how would the short travel lifter and pushrod correction help this? id assume act as a bigger cam as less loss of lift through lifter?