replacing LS1 with LT1 ???
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replacing LS1 with LT1 ??? sorry if this thread seems a little odd (still a noob when it comes to my new car)... but I have a friend that drag races his 87 grand national and has had some good success with it. best run in his daily driver is 9.14 @ 149
so.... I usually respect the hell out of what he says...
but...
he's telling me that if I were ever to get "serious" about racing I would replace my LS1 with an LT1, that aluminum is crap
I've done lots of my own research (before even buying my 00 TA) and I saw nothing like this in all of my reading.
needless to say this is a little frustrating, I've sent several things to him (magazine scans and internet links) all about the awesomeness of the LS1... he says it's all BS and all the guys at the tracks he goes to LAUGH at the LS1!
my question is, is he just jelous or is he right?
I know that stock LS1 based f-bodys are a little faster than LT1 cars, but that doesn't speak for what happens at the track.
thanks all
Matt
so.... I usually respect the hell out of what he says...
but...
he's telling me that if I were ever to get "serious" about racing I would replace my LS1 with an LT1, that aluminum is crap
I've done lots of my own research (before even buying my 00 TA) and I saw nothing like this in all of my reading.needless to say this is a little frustrating, I've sent several things to him (magazine scans and internet links) all about the awesomeness of the LS1... he says it's all BS and all the guys at the tracks he goes to LAUGH at the LS1!
my question is, is he just jelous or is he right?
I know that stock LS1 based f-bodys are a little faster than LT1 cars, but that doesn't speak for what happens at the track.
thanks all
Matt
i'm not sure even what to say, is this guy pulling your chain maybe?
dollar for dollar there is NO comparison. tell this guy to pop his head out of his *** and look around at the huge numbers of bolt on only 11 second Ls1's, cam only 10 second cars, heads and cam cars deep in the 10's, and that's N/A only.
point him to this site and this thread and we'll gladly help him figure it out. not sure what tracks he goes to but anyone laughing at ls1's is either an inbred hillbilly or..well, yeah that about covers it
dollar for dollar there is NO comparison. tell this guy to pop his head out of his *** and look around at the huge numbers of bolt on only 11 second Ls1's, cam only 10 second cars, heads and cam cars deep in the 10's, and that's N/A only.
point him to this site and this thread and we'll gladly help him figure it out. not sure what tracks he goes to but anyone laughing at ls1's is either an inbred hillbilly or..well, yeah that about covers it
Launching!
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While it is true that iron blocks are stronger then aluminum, ARE has pushed an LS1 block into the mid 8's. Trying to discredit a motor due to the inherent weaknesses of it's block is kinda silly. From what I understand, the 3.8 block isn't exactly bulletproof and many guys upgrade to strong aftermarket blocks , which right now isn't exactly an option for LS1's (except for the C5-R block)
WTF is there to laugh about when it comes to LS1's? 11's with stock internals and now low 10 sec all motor 346's seems like nothing to laugh at IMO. I think it's fairly respectable. It seems like a lot of turbo buick guys have a chip on their shoulder too.
WTF is there to laugh about when it comes to LS1's? 11's with stock internals and now low 10 sec all motor 346's seems like nothing to laugh at IMO. I think it's fairly respectable. It seems like a lot of turbo buick guys have a chip on their shoulder too.
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That's his opinion, and he has the right for one, wrong or right, I guess...
Trying to get these kinds of people to see things differently and to maybe change their mind is pretty much impossible, so don't worry about it. Just shrug it off. You have a motor with plenty of potential.
TS
Trying to get these kinds of people to see things differently and to maybe change their mind is pretty much impossible, so don't worry about it. Just shrug it off. You have a motor with plenty of potential.
TS
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Originally Posted by WulfgarSS
Between built LT1/LS1 motors, LS1 will make more torque. <----Comes direct from a mechanic w/ 40 yrs. experience and builds 9 sec. lt1 & ls1 f-bods.
yeah it's frustrating to go and research the hell out of new cars, do lots of reading and educate myself on modern muscle, spend a couple months searching auto trader, find several good cars and then decide on one, buy it, and have your best friend with a 9 second beast come and tell you, too bad that block is aluminum 
you need an LT1 I'll chalk it up to a simple difference of opinion.
Last edited by 00Pontiac; Jul 13, 2004 at 04:02 PM.
Originally Posted by 00Pontiac
there's one I didn't know yet, thanks for the "ammo" yeah it's frustrating to go and research the hell out of new cars, do lots of reading and educate myself on modern muscle, spend a couple months searching auto trader, find several good cars and then decide on one, buy it, and have your best friend with a 9 second beast come and tell you, too bad that block is aluminum you need an LT1
I'll chalk it up to a simple difference of opinion.
yeah it's frustrating to go and research the hell out of new cars, do lots of reading and educate myself on modern muscle, spend a couple months searching auto trader, find several good cars and then decide on one, buy it, and have your best friend with a 9 second beast come and tell you, too bad that block is aluminum you need an LT1 I'll chalk it up to a simple difference of opinion.
Alot of old school guys say the same thing about LT1 and LS1s you know. Just ignorance I guess. I love both engines. LS1s are wicked. I am partial to the LT1 though.
Good luck. I think that should be enough to shut him up.
If you are talking about an all out drag motor I'd say they are about the same in strength. The LT1 really hasn't been tested as far as potential from the block, George Baxter ran his LT1 block with 1100+hp for two years (stock 4bolt mains) and didn't seem to need to switch to the SBC block, I think he only did it for assurance reasons. Also the LS1 block has really not been tested. The people that have the money to make those kinds of numbers from them usually get a C5R block, and the majority of us know that there is pretty much no reason for that block to ever brake.
The LS1 is a great platform, don't let this guy make you think differently.
The LS1 is a great platform, don't let this guy make you think differently.
Originally Posted by SilverGhost
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point him to this site and this thread and we'll gladly help him figure it out. not sure what tracks he goes to but anyone laughing at ls1's is either an inbred hillbilly or..well, yeah that about covers it
point him to this site and this thread and we'll gladly help him figure it out. not sure what tracks he goes to but anyone laughing at ls1's is either an inbred hillbilly or..well, yeah that about covers it
When someone says something wrong, why do they always have to be inbred or a hillbilly.
I'm from Eastern Ky and Im not a hillbilly or a ******* inbred.
The Bull
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I don't care where you are from and if you are or are not a hillbilly, redneck, inbred, whatever. This is a car site not a spot for flame bait. Either respond directly to the question or don't respond at all. Thanks!
well i got on here going to respond, and i just got pissed off, becuase everytime you turn around people have to make stupid coments...... I would like to have read what the guy below me said.....
But anyhow, the guys is crazy if you want to replace the LS1 with a LT1 , They replaced the LT1 for a reason......
But anyhow, the guys is crazy if you want to replace the LS1 with a LT1 , They replaced the LT1 for a reason......
