Gains with Hals only?
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Gains with Hals only? I am thinking about getting a set of Hal shocks and was wondering if it would be worth the money to get them or not. What kind of gains would I see in the 60' and E.T. and mph? Would it help to pull the wheels? Judging by my 60',E.T, and mph what would my new times be by putting the hals on setup right?
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Re: Gains with Hals only? I would get them, I was running around on Bilsteins all around w/eibach lowering springs, trying to drag race with that setup doesn't really work...
I bought HAL's all around, and I'm running the HAL coil overs up front, and some eibach lowering springs in the back, I'm most likely going to replace that with a stock V8 spring though...
You can set then to stiff, and it will feel like a roadracing car or you can make them loose for drag racing..
I experiment w/it at the track....
I got my best results with the fronts on 1 or zero and the rears set to like 4 or 5, more stiff on the right side...
I bought HAL's all around, and I'm running the HAL coil overs up front, and some eibach lowering springs in the back, I'm most likely going to replace that with a stock V8 spring though...
You can set then to stiff, and it will feel like a roadracing car or you can make them loose for drag racing..
I experiment w/it at the track....
I got my best results with the fronts on 1 or zero and the rears set to like 4 or 5, more stiff on the right side...
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Hey man. I've got HALS all the way around on the vette and love them. They are great and I think they are the reason my car leaves and hooks so good. I always pull 60's in the 1.5's with a best of 1.51 on thursday night track prep. Let me know if you get a set and I'll help you with the setup I've found that works best on mine
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Re: Gains with Hals only? I cut 1.7's before but had front sway bar on then too. Put HALS on and removed front sway bar and played with the E.T. Street tire pressure and got in the 1.5's consistantly! Definetly a good investment IMO
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Re: Gains with Hals only? I believe you guys have made my mind up for me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Dropping 2 tenths in the 60' time is a pretty good drop and is worth it IMHO. If I could drop from 1.7's to low 1.6 or high 1.5's I would be EXTREMELY happy <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> That should be enough to get the tires off the ground, right? Let's see...2 tenths off 60'...hmmm....that should equal out to about 2-3 tenths in the quarter right?
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Whoaa ... I'm with Terry here. With that ST3500 and your mods, you should be cutting low 1.6s to high 1.5s with you stock shocks.
Which is what I've been seeing everyone else cut, with that TC on a stock set up. The HALs are worth a couple hundreths and some consistancy ... but I think you've got something else going on, which the HALs will probably help, but they aren't going to be the cure.
Good Luck
Which is what I've been seeing everyone else cut, with that TC on a stock set up. The HALs are worth a couple hundreths and some consistancy ... but I think you've got something else going on, which the HALs will probably help, but they aren't going to be the cure.
Good Luck
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Mystic- I agree my 60' times are sluggish for what I have but I can't get it to hook. Every pass I have made on E.T.streets it has spun. I have yet to pull off the front swaybar or do any kind of weight modifications and last I weighed the car it was 3495 race weight. The track prep at Bristol(1790ft actual elev.) really sucks to say the least on street night with all the front wheel drives and trucks. I am looking for ways to get that 60' down and am looking for an upgrade in my rearend to a 12 bolt with 3.73 gears seeing as how my 10 bolt has a fried posi accounting for a lot of my loss in the 60' and also changing the converter out for a TP4400. Maybe I can hit 1.5's with those and hals, maybe.
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Re: Gains with Hals only? BIGBOS: Thanks for the reply, I have researched getting hals for a while and was just going to see if I would see any signifigant gains in the quarter mile and especially my 60'. I am tired of seeing 1.7 60' times on E.T. streets. I am sure I could see better times if I had a power adder but I want to stay NA and want to see somewhere in the 1.68-1.60 60' times. Would this be possible?
NitrousNate: What's up Nate? Your car launches awesome and hooks good, especially for thursday night street prep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I heard you got heads and cam done and got a good dyno, could you give me a rundown of what all you got and if you dyno'd at BOC in kingsport? What 60' times and E.T. were you cutting before the hals?
I will yell at you when I get them and maybe when I go to the track, you can help me set them up. Thanks
Jess
NitrousNate: What's up Nate? Your car launches awesome and hooks good, especially for thursday night street prep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I heard you got heads and cam done and got a good dyno, could you give me a rundown of what all you got and if you dyno'd at BOC in kingsport? What 60' times and E.T. were you cutting before the hals?
I will yell at you when I get them and maybe when I go to the track, you can help me set them up. Thanks
Jess
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Re: Gains with Hals only? I was cutting 1.8 60fts on et streets with the Bilstein setup before...
Now the best I've gotten is a 1.60, still can get lower, just need to get the launch right.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Now the best I've gotten is a 1.60, still can get lower, just need to get the launch right.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: Gains with Hals only? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 1 Stout Z:
<strong>....I can't get it to hook....I have yet to pull off the front swaybar </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BINGO!
If you're expecting the HAL's to be some kind of magic potion to miraculously improve your 60ft's...you're gonna be sadly mistaken.
Yes, HAL's help, but they won't solve all of your issues. Before you drop $400+ on HAL's, I would work on your current setup to to get the most out of it first.
<strong>....I can't get it to hook....I have yet to pull off the front swaybar </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BINGO!
If you're expecting the HAL's to be some kind of magic potion to miraculously improve your 60ft's...you're gonna be sadly mistaken.
Yes, HAL's help, but they won't solve all of your issues. Before you drop $400+ on HAL's, I would work on your current setup to to get the most out of it first.
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Ebbsnflows- how much will pulling the front sway bar help? I have heard that it will help you transfer a little better but nothing else, got any info on that?
Jess
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Re: Gains with Hals only? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 1 Stout Z:
<strong> Ebbsnflows- how much will pulling the front sway bar help? I have heard that it will help you transfer a little better but nothing else, got any info on that?
Jess </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will help a lot. Here's an analogy:
Imagine you have a set of Olympic weights including the long Barbell w/ 45 lbs weights on each end (equalling 135 total including the bar). Beside it you have 2 Dumbells. Each dumbell weighs 67.5 each which also totals 135 lbs between them.
Which of those setups is easier to pick up and move somewhere else? With the barbell you have to pick the ENTIRE 135 and move it at once. But w/ the Dumbells you can pick up ONE 67.5 lb weight and move it, and leave the other 67.5 dumbell lying.
That's how the Sway bar effects your launch. With it attached your car attempts to pick up all 135 at once (both tires), making weight transfer difficult. However w/ the swaybar off, your car can easily pick up a single dumbell (the driverside tire) allowing quick and easy weight transfer to the rear (for added traction). Does that make sense? (It's hard to describe this over the internet)
Once again, this won't be a miracle cure, but when added together w/ the various other suspension tweaks you will see tremendous results.
<strong> Ebbsnflows- how much will pulling the front sway bar help? I have heard that it will help you transfer a little better but nothing else, got any info on that?
Jess </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will help a lot. Here's an analogy:
Imagine you have a set of Olympic weights including the long Barbell w/ 45 lbs weights on each end (equalling 135 total including the bar). Beside it you have 2 Dumbells. Each dumbell weighs 67.5 each which also totals 135 lbs between them.
Which of those setups is easier to pick up and move somewhere else? With the barbell you have to pick the ENTIRE 135 and move it at once. But w/ the Dumbells you can pick up ONE 67.5 lb weight and move it, and leave the other 67.5 dumbell lying.
That's how the Sway bar effects your launch. With it attached your car attempts to pick up all 135 at once (both tires), making weight transfer difficult. However w/ the swaybar off, your car can easily pick up a single dumbell (the driverside tire) allowing quick and easy weight transfer to the rear (for added traction). Does that make sense? (It's hard to describe this over the internet)
Once again, this won't be a miracle cure, but when added together w/ the various other suspension tweaks you will see tremendous results.
Re: Gains with Hals only? When I got the HAL's I noticed the my 60 foot times drop and were a whole lot more consistant. Went from running 1.69-1.75 60 foot times in a six month period to 1.64-1.67 60's on 16x26x11.5 ET streets and the same track after the HALs.
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Ebbnflows-makes alot of since, especially to someone that lifts weights. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I would say with the combintion of the hals and removing the front sway bar would net a considerable gain in the 60' right?
I would say with the combintion of the hals and removing the front sway bar would net a considerable gain in the 60' right?
Re: Gains with Hals only? 1 Stout Z, did I miss the LCA and relocation brackets in your posts/sig. Does this not help guys? Torque arm, or poly mounts for the stocker also? Just looking cause I need to cut better 60's also. TIA.
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Re: Gains with Hals only? Nope, didn't miss it. I don't have any aftermarket suspension on my car. LCA's, panhard rod, torque arm, shocks, all is stock on my car. I would like to know how much if any gains with all aftermarket suspension I would see.