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Old May 4, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CHRISPY
I would verify the pinion angle again. What air pressure in the tires?

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Have experimented with air pressure from 11 psi to 20 psi and nearly everywhere in between.

Thanks Chris.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Todd....we need to put the car on a drive-on lift with you setting in the car and then try to set pinion angle again.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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looks like you have lower control arm brakets... what do you have the control arms set at?
im not making near as much torque, but i couldnt hook worth a crap with them at the lowest setting... moved them up a notch and that made a night and day difference.

probably in over my head here
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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Todd....we need to put the car on a drive-on lift with you setting in the car and then try to set pinion angle again.
yeah, agree absolutely. Doing it in your driveway a few months back may not have been optimal. :wink:
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blkchevyz
looks like you have lower control arm brakets... what do you have the control arms set at?
im not making near as much torque, but i couldnt hook worth a crap with them at the lowest setting... moved them up a notch and that made a night and day difference.

probably in over my head here
I've got them in the middle hole, which I think is the best choice for my setup.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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I agree, and that's why I'm a little frustrated. Faster cars than mine are running MT DR's. One thing, however, that needs to be remembered: I'm on the 26" tall tires and most of the really fast cars I've seen with them are running the 28" tall ones. More sidewall to help them launch.

I am really trying to get the car to hook consistently on 26" tires.
I think a 26" is enough for you. Whats the car doing in the 1/8th and 1/4?
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Old May 6, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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I think a 26" is enough for you. Whats the car doing in the 1/8th and 1/4?
I can't remember what it is doing in the 1/8. I only look at my ET in the 1/8 when I am bracket racing and trying to notice differences between my time trial passes.

It was running 11.34 to 11.6X in the 1/4 with considerable wheelspin. I only remember the 11.34 exactly as that was my best ET from the last couple trips to the track. Trap speeds one night were 120 to 121 MPH. The next time out the air was horrible and I was trapping 118.5 to 119.5 MPH.

11.34 was on a 1.62 short time. If you remember from an earlier post in this thread, I pulled a 1.55 on one pass a while back only to have the tranny refuse to do the 1-2 shift and ruined the pass. It was a 1/2 quart low and that was enough to make it miss a shift under WOT.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Shepherd
Todd....we need to put the car on a drive-on lift with you setting in the car and then try to set pinion angle again.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Next and I agree that is more than likely the tires.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Next and I agree that is more than likely the tires.

^^^ Wear, that is. You already said you have a lot more than 40 passes. How many do you have?

Searching for a different tire isn't the necessary, unless you have no reason or desire to run the radial. 468 ain't a big number to not hook those tires either. You will be able to get a slick to hook easier, but don't discount what the DRs can do. I could give you plenty of drag radial class heavy hitters as examples, but I can think of a better one. Search under one of members LS1Queen. Paula has been on the bumper multiple times with DRs.
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Old May 7, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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^^^ Wear, that is. You already said you have a lot more than 40 passes. How many do you have?

Searching for a different tire isn't the necessary, unless you have no reason or desire to run the radial. 468 ain't a big number to not hook those tires either. You will be able to get a slick to hook easier, but don't discount what the DRs can do. I could give you plenty of drag radial class heavy hitters as examples, but I can think of a better one. Search under one of members LS1Queen. Paula has been on the bumper multiple times with DRs.
I've had those tires about 18 months. If I average one trip to the track a month and average 5 passes per trip, that's 90 passes. I try to go 2-3 times/month but the car was down for a couple months when we did the motor swap etc. and I've also started taking my wife's '00 B4C on bracket nights since my car can't hook up, so that's why I say just once/month. Some trips I would only do 3-4 passes, but on other nights I would enter the bracket competition and do twice that many.

I agree with you, MT ET DR's should be able to do the job. And I am focused on the tires as the primary problem, thus the purpose of me starting this thread. By the time I got the new motor in, the tires were almost a year old and probably past their prime. I *think* that 26" tires can be made to work, but before I run out and blow another chunk of cash on new tires, I want to gather some input. Tony and I will also most definitely recheck my pinion angle.

I take it from your post that the main thing you think I need is just a fresh pair of MT DR's?
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I take it from your post that the main thing you think I need is just a fresh pair of MT DR's?
I say get some ET Drags Todd.
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Yikes, 90 passes? They're spent.

Like Tony's suggestion, ET Drags will be easier to hook. I'm 100% confident you could get the DRs to hook though. If you get another set of the DRs make sure you only make one change at a time. Think about trying to hit the tire harder to get it to plant.
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Old May 7, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Yikes, 90 passes? They're spent.

Yeah, I'm a cheapskate. When my car was slower I could get away with running a pair of DR's until the very first hint of cord showing through. Only then would I chuck them.

Like Tony's suggestion, ET Drags will be easier to hook. I'm 100% confident you could get the DRs to hook though. If you get another set of the DRs make sure you only make one change at a time. Think about trying to hit the tire harder to get it to plant.
Do you think I have enough sidewall on the 26" tall DRs?
Talking about the 275/50/15 MT DR's.
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I'd say it's more critical that you're giving up contact patch with that size tire.
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Old May 8, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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Tony and I just spoke on the phone. I'm going to call Bill Buck and have him scale the car and see what's going on. Then I'm going to get a fresh pair of tires, still not sure which.

I think the ET Drags will surely hook, but if i want to bracket race the car most classes require DOT tires.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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Took the car to Bill Buck Saturday morning and we scaled it and reset the pinion angle. Both the weight distribution and the pinion angle were not optimal and we got them both looking good.

Can't wait to get back to the track. This may have solved my problem. :crossfingers:

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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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any update on weather the changes you made worked???
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