Two-steps 101
Originally Posted by Mike TexaSS
That's not really traction control. Real traction control is more complicated than that, but you do have to use the MSD 7531 box.
while you're correct that it isnt an ideal traction control, it does skirt the rules that say you cant have wheel or axle speed sensors.... its really a simple solution to a complex problem... while it wont provide the IDEAL traction that a true closed loop system provides, it is a nice open loop solution to minimize your wheelspin when you do break em loose.. or maybe just limiting you from the edge of being loose and ultimatly getting more consistant (if slower)ETs...
but im curious to hear the definition of "real" traction control, esp when you HAVE to use the MSD box.
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I'd love to explain it, but I'm not allowed to, it's proprietary information. But no, it does not involve wheel speed sensors. It is a true form of traction control though. It works wonders for cars with 3,000 HP and a 10.5W tire when you're on a hot track.
ls1 specific... i used 2 stepping last year to sucessfully destroy several driveline components.
2 output shafts, 1 ring gear, 1 pinion gear, one driveshaft
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2 output shafts, 1 ring gear, 1 pinion gear, one driveshaft
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http://home.comcast.net/~turboformula/shaft.wmv
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Originally Posted by MrDude_1
well.. define "real" traction control.
while you're correct that it isnt an ideal traction control, it does skirt the rules that say you cant have wheel or axle speed sensors.... its really a simple solution to a complex problem... while it wont provide the IDEAL traction that a true closed loop system provides, it is a nice open loop solution to minimize your wheelspin when you do break em loose.. or maybe just limiting you from the edge of being loose and ultimatly getting more consistant (if slower)ETs...
but im curious to hear the definition of "real" traction control, esp when you HAVE to use the MSD box.
while you're correct that it isnt an ideal traction control, it does skirt the rules that say you cant have wheel or axle speed sensors.... its really a simple solution to a complex problem... while it wont provide the IDEAL traction that a true closed loop system provides, it is a nice open loop solution to minimize your wheelspin when you do break em loose.. or maybe just limiting you from the edge of being loose and ultimatly getting more consistant (if slower)ETs...
but im curious to hear the definition of "real" traction control, esp when you HAVE to use the MSD box.
Real traction control MUST use wheel speed sensors to determine slip ratios of wheels. If you dont have a closed loop setup you will only be 'guessing' at what the wheels are doing. You could be cutting power before you slip or you could be cutting power too late... Both situations leave some acceleration "on the table". If you want to get really complex, combine wheel speed sensors and accelerometers to create algorithms to determine appropriate traction
Originally Posted by Mike TexaSS
I'd love to explain it, but I'm not allowed to, it's proprietary information. But no, it does not involve wheel speed sensors. It is a true form of traction control though. It works wonders for cars with 3,000 HP and a 10.5W tire when you're on a hot track.
I'll stop there. Not going to pry you any more.
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Originally Posted by Richiec77
This is used in conjunction with a spool since you are not talking about using wheel sensors.
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