Need help with division rules
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Need help with division rules Hello everyone,
I race in a "Street" division here at our only track.
To make the story short, it is a open 10.99 time capped division
Cannot break 10.99
One of the rules is that AUTO cars are NOT allowed to used transbrakes.
However manuals take 5K+ clutch dumps.
My argument is that it is not fair.
Now is there any "street style" divisions in US that allow transbrakes in the time frame I mentionned, and where can I find some net literature to present it as evidence for my argument.
Thanks,
Mark
I race in a "Street" division here at our only track.
To make the story short, it is a open 10.99 time capped division
Cannot break 10.99
One of the rules is that AUTO cars are NOT allowed to used transbrakes.
However manuals take 5K+ clutch dumps.
My argument is that it is not fair.
Now is there any "street style" divisions in US that allow transbrakes in the time frame I mentionned, and where can I find some net literature to present it as evidence for my argument.
Thanks,
Mark
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Hello everyone,
I race in a "Street" division here at our only track.
To make the story short, it is a open 10.99 time capped division
Cannot break 10.99
One of the rules is that AUTO cars are NOT allowed to used transbrakes.
However manuals take 5K+ clutch dumps.
My argument is that it is not fair.
Now is there any "street style" divisions in US that allow transbrakes in the time frame I mentionned, and where can I find some net literature to present it as evidence for my argument.
Thanks,
Mark
I race in a "Street" division here at our only track.
To make the story short, it is a open 10.99 time capped division
Cannot break 10.99
One of the rules is that AUTO cars are NOT allowed to used transbrakes.
However manuals take 5K+ clutch dumps.
My argument is that it is not fair.
Now is there any "street style" divisions in US that allow transbrakes in the time frame I mentionned, and where can I find some net literature to present it as evidence for my argument.
Thanks,
Mark
Coach
manuals take 5k clutch dumps... because thats how they are on the street. you can do that when you buy a car new, if that makes sense.
I would think that a stalled auto setup could run a lot better at the track than a manual, even without a transbrake.
and I have no idea about the info you were asking for, lol
I would think that a stalled auto setup could run a lot better at the track than a manual, even without a transbrake.
and I have no idea about the info you were asking for, lol
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My personal problem is that during staging, sometimes I do not have the time to properly brake stall and the manuals are having an easier time.
Not to mention a trans brake would reduce my time by .05 on the sixty, which would translate in 1.4x instead of 1.5x
We all know where most of the races are won (hint 60')
Any edge is important to me since I race against Turbo/nitrous 2700 lbs Skylines with my heavy 3500 lbs.
Those guys have tremendeous power at 1/8th mile, so the better I get them off the line, the harder it is for them to catch up.
Not to mention a trans brake would reduce my time by .05 on the sixty, which would translate in 1.4x instead of 1.5x
We all know where most of the races are won (hint 60')
Any edge is important to me since I race against Turbo/nitrous 2700 lbs Skylines with my heavy 3500 lbs.
Those guys have tremendeous power at 1/8th mile, so the better I get them off the line, the harder it is for them to catch up.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
My personal problem is that during staging, sometimes I do not have the time to properly brake stall and the manuals are having an easier time.
Not to mention a trans brake would reduce my time by .05 on the sixty, which would translate in 1.4x instead of 1.5x
Not to mention a trans brake would reduce my time by .05 on the sixty, which would translate in 1.4x instead of 1.5x
Good Luck,
Daren
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I do outrun them in the 60' but by the 1/8th they spool up some serious power and do catch up. The more distance I put between myself and them, the harder it is for them to catch up.
I do outrun them in the 60' but by the 1/8th they spool up some serious power and do catch up. The more distance I put between myself and them, the harder it is for them to catch up.
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I think maybe 1 or 2 NHRA divisions allow transbrakes in their doorcar class or no-box class.
Division 2 does not allow transbrakes or two-steps in their Pro or Sportsman classes. Super Pro (11.99 and quicker in the 1/4) allows full electronics.
IMHO, having a 5 grand clutch dump isn't an advantage over my automatic off the footbrake, you still have to move your left foot to get the car to move. Hand-to-eye coordination is better than hand-to-foot, and I think someone trying to bracket race a clutch car usually has a harder time than an auto (consistent clutch and shift work) as Coach mentioned.
Just spank their *** off the footbrake. I stall mine up after pre-staging before ever bumping into the stage beam.
Good luck!
Derek
Division 2 does not allow transbrakes or two-steps in their Pro or Sportsman classes. Super Pro (11.99 and quicker in the 1/4) allows full electronics.
IMHO, having a 5 grand clutch dump isn't an advantage over my automatic off the footbrake, you still have to move your left foot to get the car to move. Hand-to-eye coordination is better than hand-to-foot, and I think someone trying to bracket race a clutch car usually has a harder time than an auto (consistent clutch and shift work) as Coach mentioned.
Just spank their *** off the footbrake. I stall mine up after pre-staging before ever bumping into the stage beam.
Good luck!
Derek
Last edited by Villain281H; Jul 6, 2006 at 07:22 AM.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Been racing since the 80's, still practicing
I do outrun them in the 60' but by the 1/8th they spool up some serious power and do catch up. The more distance I put between myself and them, the harder it is for them to catch up.
I do outrun them in the 60' but by the 1/8th they spool up some serious power and do catch up. The more distance I put between myself and them, the harder it is for them to catch up.
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
Do you race on a handicap or heads-up on a 10.99 index?
My best dialed in run was 11.024 and I won the division that day.
See the problem is we do not have a lot of cars here. So they capped the Street division at 10.99 so cars of various weight and makes can still race against each other.
Immagine putting my 3550 car against a 2800.
Things are changing for this year though:
Super Street is 8 cylinder division, 1 power adder, no weight limit and open time.
How the f88k am I supposed to compete in that? Factory block, internal and boltons allowed, No back 1/2, no transbrake.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Immagine putting my 3550 car against a 2800.