LS1 Front Wheel Drive Conversion
03-02-2007, 01:53 PM
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It's not "knowing" it's THINKING! 
Of course RWD is a tried and true method of drive...I'm trying to think of ways to improve FWD performance cars for drag racing. It's not that I didn't know RWD cars are FAST...I want to try something new. It's just me...
Of course RWD is a tried and true method of drive...I'm trying to think of ways to improve FWD performance cars for drag racing. It's not that I didn't know RWD cars are FAST...I want to try something new. It's just me...
03-02-2007, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
Wow, this quite possibly has to be one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen. This could quite possibly hit the SSU hall of fame. Let's keep this retarted **** going, it's amazingly humorous how clueless wagon boy is. TTT!
BTW..it's "WAGONEER" not wagon boy.
If you're guna poke fun..do it the right way.
03-02-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
And FWD is used because it is cheaper, more compact, and allows for more passenger-compartment space.
"Improved drivetrain efficiency: the direct connection between engine and transaxle reduce the mass and mechanical inertia of the drivetrain compared to a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a similar engine and transmission" I think I know more about properties of various physics related material than you do btw so dont flame wagan man.
03-02-2007, 01:59 PM
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If you converted an F-body or Corvette to FWD SOMEHOW, it would still be slower than it's RWD counterpart. So what is the point? To spend THOUSANDS of dollars in research and development, to go slower, and handle/brake worse? No thanks.
03-02-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
Everyone can use google....heres an advantage to racing with a FWD i found with it
"Improved drivetrain efficiency: the direct connection between engine and transaxle reduce the mass and mechanical inertia of the drivetrain compared to a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a similar engine and transmission" I think I know more about properties of various physics related material than you do btw so dont flame wagan man.
"Improved drivetrain efficiency: the direct connection between engine and transaxle reduce the mass and mechanical inertia of the drivetrain compared to a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a similar engine and transmission" I think I know more about properties of various physics related material than you do btw so dont flame wagan man.
Looks like you know nothing...BTW toprintonbothsides...It's WAGONEER...not wagon man! lol...just said it above!
03-02-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
Everyone can use google....heres an advantage to racing with a FWD i found with it
"Improved drivetrain efficiency: the direct connection between engine and transaxle reduce the mass and mechanical inertia of the drivetrain compared to a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a similar engine and transmission" I think I know more about properties of various physics related material than you do btw so dont flame wagan man.
"Improved drivetrain efficiency: the direct connection between engine and transaxle reduce the mass and mechanical inertia of the drivetrain compared to a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a similar engine and transmission" I think I know more about properties of various physics related material than you do btw so dont flame wagan man.
03-02-2007, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
If you converted an F-body or Corvette to FWD SOMEHOW, it would still be slower than it's RWD counterpart. So what is the point? To spend THOUSANDS of dollars in research and development, to go slower, and handle/brake worse? No thanks.
03-02-2007, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
If you converted an F-body or Corvette to FWD SOMEHOW, it would still be slower than it's RWD counterpart. So what is the point? To spend THOUSANDS of dollars in research and development, to go slower, and handle/brake worse? No thanks.
Isn't this DRAG RACING?? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DRAG RACING? You're going in a STRAIGHT LINE. Braking of course is important but what does handling have to do with it? Steer the damn thing...and hang on. Handling is more of a "weight transfer" thing and even still...
How would they handle bad? I still want some proof and more info on this...
03-02-2007, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Everyone knows that FWD has a higher drivetrain efficiency than RWD. We are talking about dragracing though, not roll racing.
03-02-2007, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Liberty
Please explain "handle/brake worse"??
Isn't this DRAG RACING?? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DRAG RACING? You're going in a STRAIGHT LINE. Braking of course is important but what does handling have to do with it? Steer the damn thing...and hang on. Handling is more of a "weight transfer" thing and even still...
How would they handle bad? I still want some proof and more info on this...
Isn't this DRAG RACING?? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DRAG RACING? You're going in a STRAIGHT LINE. Braking of course is important but what does handling have to do with it? Steer the damn thing...and hang on. Handling is more of a "weight transfer" thing and even still...
How would they handle bad? I still want some proof and more info on this...
03-02-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
From a roll it could maybe be better...would this make up for off the line speed? idk....there is a point depending on traction to effieciency where it could be better....maybe if the car was making 50 hp but it would still be better in some scenario this way.....it would be nice to represent fbods in the FWD class...but you wasted money modding a mustang so.......what is the point? To spend THOUSANDS of dollars in research and development, to go slower, and handle/brake worse? No thanks.
. And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation. For one, FWD moves the majority of the weight to the front. Weight transfer is another part, but you also have to take into consideration that a tire only has the ability to put out a certain amount of grip/acceleration in any direction. If you are trying to apply torque to the wheel for forward motion, and have it force a direction change, your abilities to do either are decreased.
03-02-2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
You should start a thread in the handling for that one...but I guess this was moved from newb section or conversions to here so idk....as far as braking i dont know what elevens is talking about.....4 brakes is 4 brakes
I should post something about handling and FWD Vs. RWD.
and yea...what does braking have do with anything? c'mon...we're talking about power transfer here...NOT braking. blah blah blah blah...
03-02-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
You should start a thread in the handling for that one...but I guess this was moved from newb section or conversions to here so idk....as far as braking i dont know what elevens is talking about.....4 brakes is 4 brakes
03-02-2007, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I bought my car WITH all the mods, for the same price as a stock GT would cost. Thanks for playing . And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation. For one, FWD moves the majority of the weight to the front. Weight transfer is another part, but you also have to take into consideration that a tire only has the ability to put out a certain amount of grip/acceleration in any direction. If you are trying to apply torque to the wheel for forward motion, and have it force a direction change, your abilities to do either are decreased.
. And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation. For one, FWD moves the majority of the weight to the front. Weight transfer is another part, but you also have to take into consideration that a tire only has the ability to put out a certain amount of grip/acceleration in any direction. If you are trying to apply torque to the wheel for forward motion, and have it force a direction change, your abilities to do either are decreased.
03-02-2007, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I bought my car WITH all the mods, for the same price as a stock GT would cost. Thanks for playing . And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation. For one, FWD moves the majority of the weight to the front. Weight transfer is another part, but you also have to take into consideration that a tire only has the ability to put out a certain amount of grip/acceleration in any direction. If you are trying to apply torque to the wheel for forward motion, and have it force a direction change, your abilities to do either are decreased.
. And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation. For one, FWD moves the majority of the weight to the front. Weight transfer is another part, but you also have to take into consideration that a tire only has the ability to put out a certain amount of grip/acceleration in any direction. If you are trying to apply torque to the wheel for forward motion, and have it force a direction change, your abilities to do either are decreased. Congrats on your search...you STILL don't sound smart.
What was THIS..."And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation." You just opened ANOTHER can of worms retard...cause we can DEFINITLY prove you wrong on this.
Your RWD whatever may be faster on the strip but lets go to the track...I guarantee some FWD cars can run if not BEAT a RWD car...
And nobody cares about your car like they dont care about my "wagon". I still paid less than you with all my mods and I can probably run ya...and win!
03-02-2007, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by toprintonbothsides
Did the "mods" to your car influence you buying it? You chose a car with mods, I stand by saying that braking is the same in a car with FWD and RWD. You hold in the clutch and slam on the brakes in a FWD car and a RWD identical to except for this fact and they will for all practical purposes brake the same.
03-02-2007, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
It's called weight distribution. 50/50 is ideal, and it is VERY VERY VERY hard to get a FWD car to have 50/50 weight distribution. Ceteris Paribus (I assume you know what that means), FWD is outperformed by RWD in every performance situation, period.
By having more weight (you said FWD are lighter) it might take you longer to stop....semi truck to a go cart......brakes are brakes the weight transfers the same...remember identical FWD and RWD cars
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Originally Posted by White_Liberty
hahaha....he listened...he searched google!!!!!
Congrats on your search...you STILL don't sound smart.
What was THIS..."And I mentioned handling/braking because RWD outperforms FWD in every performance situation." You just opened ANOTHER can of worms retard...cause we can DEFINITLY prove you wrong on this.
Your RWD whatever may be faster on the strip but lets go to the track...I guarantee some FWD cars can run if not BEAT a RWD car...
And nobody cares about your car like they dont care about my "wagon". I still paid less than you with all my mods and I can probably run ya...and win!
. And like I said... there are certain cars that perform well IN SPITE OF being FWD. But ceteris paribus, they would perform better if they were RWD.
03-02-2007, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
You claim to know more about basic physics principals than me, and then ignore weight distribution and transfer? With all the weight on the front tires, you are lessening their ability to maintain grip when slowing the car down. Even distribution (or close to it) is the best, and RWD is the best/easiest way to achieve this.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Google search? Dude, we did this in High School physics . And like I said... there are certain cars that perform well IN SPITE OF being FWD. But ceteris paribus, they would perform better if they were RWD.
. And like I said... there are certain cars that perform well IN SPITE OF being FWD. But ceteris paribus, they would perform better if they were RWD.