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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR


Odarabla, IMO 12.2 is very aggressive and doesn't leave you with much safety margin from a bad tank of gas, partially clogged injector....whatever. You better have your tune really dialed in as well.


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Well Geoff with EPS speced the cam and will be the one doing the tune. I did say we could put a thicker head gasket on there if it was needed be he said he could do the tune. I will take your advice though and throw some race gas in there when the temps are a little on the high side.. Thanks again Tony..
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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Great looking motor! Even better looking numbers! This thing will be a beast. Thanks Tony.
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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
Actually that was the 23rd (and final) dyno pull of the day. We changed the timing a little the last few runs looking for a few more ponies. Truth is it was not very sensitive to timing past 25' because the engine combination and chamber design is/was very efficient. It did like 27 ish at peak torque and 28 at peak power but it was only a few HP and Ft/lbs of torque better than when we were running a 25/24 combination in the engine and creeping up on the proper fueling (A/F ratio).

Good question though....I would have probably thought the same reading the name of the run (Steve @ Westech enters most of the data and changes we are making thru out the day in the notes as well as a quickie footnote in the name of the run to keep track of what we are changing/manipulating along the way!)

Thanks for all the positive comments guys....it will be fun to see what this engine is capable in Brian's C5 race car!



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28 degrees max timing makes far more sense to me regardless of chamber efficiency. That engine is beautiful and I'm sure the new owner is excited to get it installed.
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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Nice #'s. I'm curious to see how that electric waterpump holds does on the road course.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 01:13 AM
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Let's see FORD do that with a naturally aspirated motor....
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Nice #'s. I'm curious to see how that electric waterpump holds does on the road course.
I think they only use that for the engine dyno since that looks like the race version of that pump, which would be even more of a no-no for a road course than their street pump. I have a feeling that if this is going in a car that does only road course duty, they'll be using a mechanical pump.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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Pretty curve Tony. Congrats on the results. What rockers are you running?
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Now that is a SERIOUS torque curve Tony!! Great work!!

BTW, you selling valve covers like that?
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Originally Posted by NVR_SPDS
Now that is a SERIOUS torque curve Tony!! Great work!!

BTW, you selling valve covers like that?
Those are Katech valve covers with custom made inserts...here are the ones I bought for mine:



Although they've added some additional fittings for what I'm guessing is the dry sump system.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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So how much would a motor like that cost? Fully built shipped to me
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by squale iii
So how much would a motor like that cost? Fully built shipped to me
My money dyno says somewhere in the mid-$20k range with the dry sump, engine dyno, crating/shipping fees, etc.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Goddamn...I'll just buy a n20 kit lol.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 11:07 PM
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Another bullseye hit Tony! Looks like the 230s are kicking *** !
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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
I think they only use that for the engine dyno since that looks like the race version of that pump, which would be even more of a no-no for a road course than their street pump. I have a feeling that if this is going in a car that does only road course duty, they'll be using a mechanical pump.
Thats correct Steve.....that pump isnt even the customers water pump. Its the pump that Westech keeps on hand for all their LS engine testing.

Originally Posted by NVR_SPDS
Now that is a SERIOUS torque curve Tony!! Great work!!

BTW, you selling valve covers like that?
No Dave....but Im glad you liked them....LOL

They were Katech covers (which are a bit pricey to start when you buy both the covers and the coil relocation bracket kit also shown in the pic) and then I invested some time with the help of my Engineering Mgr writing a program and engraving them on the CNC....after that carefully hand painting the lettering, flag, etc. which took alot of time. If your up for painting the logo yourself and are willing to spend the coin on the covers than it is something we could talk about. A have a pic of the cover before I painted it when it was just engraved.....you can PM me at some point should you ever really consider it but check the pricing on the valve covers/bracket kit first before you do!



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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Very nice. Excellent average power!
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
No Dave....but Im glad you liked them....LOL

They were Katech covers (which are a bit pricey to start when you buy both the covers and the coil relocation bracket kit also shown in the pic) and then I invested some time with the help of my Engineering Mgr writing a program and engraving them on the CNC....after that carefully hand painting the lettering, flag, etc. which took alot of time. If your up for painting the logo yourself and are willing to spend the coin on the covers than it is something we could talk about. A have a pic of the cover before I painted it when it was just engraved.....you can PM me at some point should you ever really consider it but check the pricing on the valve covers/bracket kit first before you do!



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Ouch, I see what you mean about the covers. Well, since spending that kind of coin on VCs is out, what about a decal? lol. Maybe something that would fit accross the back, inside of my WS.6 hood? It'd be the only sticker on the car, besides my black bird stripes.
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Very nice Tony. Wish I had something like it.

How much torque do you think the .4 cr and single pattern is worth over the 243/247 grind at low rpm? I don't think the dry sump will make to much diff at 3500?

btw, whose parts are those in the background w/ engine on stand????

And those VC's look too expensive to go on a sleeper truck....and I can't afford them either. (Homer S. voice) Stupid Katech!

I'm also seeing that the 102 is about maxed at about 650HP. Thoughts?

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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboS10

Very nice Tony. Wish I had something like it.

How much torque do you think the .4 cr and single pattern is worth over the 243/247 grind at low rpm? I don't think the dry sump will make to much diff at 3500?

btw, whose parts are those in the background w/ engine on stand????

And those VC's look too expensive to go on a sleeper truck....and I can't afford them either. (Homer S. voice) Stupid Katech!

I'm also seeing that the 102 is about maxed at about 650HP. Thoughts?
Im sure you do!

Actually thats my personal engine going together in the background but there are two others to the right of that you cant see!....LOL

This motor was 5-10 ft/lbs stronger on the bottom.....about 4-5 HP down on HP compared to the 417 I did with the longer exhaust duration cam and slightly less CR. Kind of exactly what you would expect those small changes to do. Synthetic oil would have added about 3 HP but seeing as the engine must ship dry its not worth the $100 to see a few numbers on the dyno.

Anyway.....finally had a few minutes to put together a video from the day. If you guys have a minute click on it and check it out!

Thanks,
Tony


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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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Another very well done no bullshit engine power...

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Does the owner plan to road race with that electric water pump?
If not which pump is going on there?

Would running e85 have allowed for more power?

Would it have run a bit cooler with e85?
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