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Old 07-28-2012, 12:15 PM
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Default 416 N/A E85 550rhwp!

Well I finally got the car on the rollers last month and it made the power I wanted it to but there is still an issue somewhere that I can't narrow down. Here are the graphs that I got. You can clearly see that the graph that isn't smoothed out that there is an issue.

I have been told by my tuner that it is a valve spring related issue. I don't think that it is cause the heads are brand new with less than 3000 miles on them. I purchased everything from LME (heads,cam,rotating assemble, everything). I can feel it in the car it cutsout and comes back on. I can also see it on the wideband the AFR will be like 12.8 and then it shoot to 13.5ish and then comes back down.

I think it has to do with a coil or ignition somewhere. It pulls awesome to 6200 cutouts and comes back in. I want to get this figured out so I can spray this monster. The last pull is with the converter locked up. Its weird I didn't have this issue last year and the car ran a 10.51@128 all motor with a 1.47 60'.

I want to figure this out before winter so I can get my 9s pass this year!





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Looks healthy! Graph is similar to mine. You might find a few more ponies in a bigger lid still, too.
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Something to look into as I had it happen last month, check the power wire from the battery to the starter. Mine would cut out like that only under full load, engine was moving enough to touch the cable and melted/shorted out on it and it would come RIGHT back
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Great numbers.

Similar power to my 13-1 418 wearing PRC 237 heads. Made 546rwhp unlocked.
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Strong setup! I've got the almost the same setup through a 6spd. Mind sharing your cam specs?
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257/264 .621 .641 on a #114LSA
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I think there is more in it..
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I am sure there is more in it but I need to fix my issue first.
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Originally Posted by transam69230
I am sure there is more in it but I need to fix my issue first.
Nah, it's all done.........
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Originally Posted by transam69230
Well I finally got the car on the rollers last month and it made the power I wanted it to but there is still an issue somewhere that I can't narrow down. Here are the graphs that I got. You can clearly see that the graph that isn't smoothed out that there is an issue.

I have been told by my tuner that it is a valve spring related issue. I don't think that it is cause the heads are brand new with less than 3000 miles on them. I purchased everything from LME (heads,cam,rotating assemble, everything). I can feel it in the car it cutsout and comes back on. I can also see it on the wideband the AFR will be like 12.8 and then it shoot to 13.5ish and then comes back down.

I think it has to do with a coil or ignition somewhere. It pulls awesome to 6200 cutouts and comes back in. I want to get this figured out so I can spray this monster. The last pull is with the converter locked up. Its weird I didn't have this issue last year and the car ran a 10.51@128 all motor with a 1.47 60'.

I want to figure this out before winter so I can get my 9s pass this year!






Get this problem fixed this car should be a TQ monster right around where it breaking up. Also is there a cutout on the car?
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I dont think its valve float i researched alot when i thought my car had valve float and the power wouldn't come back in at a higher RPM. It would juts fall off.
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Yea the car has a cutout where the exhaust goes over the axle where it turns into the muffler. Why do you ask?

I don't think its valve float either but the tuner swears up and down that it is.
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Originally Posted by transam69230
Yea the car has a cutout where the exhaust goes over the axle where it turns into the muffler. Why do you ask?

I don't think its valve float either but the tuner swears up and down that it is.
Hmmmm, maybe take out a valve and have them pressure tested? If he's a knowledgeable guy then his 2 cents should mean something.

But from all the vids/threads ive seen explaining HOW and WHEN valve float occurs it would not make sense that at a higher RPM for the power to comeback.

Try googling "LS1 valvefloat".

In one of the threads i saw Damian chime in on that, when someone had a similar issue to you.

Originally Posted by Damian
No, because valve float usually doesn't recover.
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I'm having somewhat the same issue!! I hear it breaking up a Lil when I go 2nd to 4th under 3/4 throttle sorta speak or between shifts I feel it somewhat die out. I have ls3 coils so it's not that and I had this problem with my ls1 but that was really bad and all the time! and this is intermittent. I'm thinking a wire in the harness some where. But how do you test the wiring. Sorry to high jack bud just thought it might be the same issue. Sorry and thanks.
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Ps you can see it in my graph as well.
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Originally Posted by litle88
I'm having somewhat the same issue!! I hear it breaking up a Lil when I go 2nd to 4th under 3/4 throttle sorta speak or between shifts I feel it somewhat die out. I have ls3 coils so it's not that and I had this problem with my ls1 but that was really bad and all the time! and this is intermittent. I'm thinking a wire in the harness some where. But how do you test the wiring. Sorry to high jack bud just thought it might be the same issue. Sorry and thanks.
Zeke to find this you would need to pull the ECM and sorce aka what connector it goes to. And ohm it. Or remove the engine harness and check every inch of wire
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I was afraid you'd say that Rob, I mean it's not all the time. Hell you got on it!
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Still not fixed yet? I thought you had it narrowed down to a coil pack?? Mine is finally figured out and ready for the track.
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I had sold the short block and got this new set up and new Ls3 coil packs and now it's just intermittent. So that will be my winter project I guess.
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Nice torque curve



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