H/C/I/E LS1 vs H/C/I/E Coyote
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H/C/I/E LS1 vs H/C/I/E Coyote What are your opinions here. Stock for stock the Coyote is a bit more potent but the LS1 tested had 60K miles whereas the Coyote was a brand new crate motor. Check it out! I am very interested in what you guys think!
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I think that the LS1 engine is roughly 17 year old technology and the Coyote engine is new technology, so for the old tried and true LS1 to be right there with the Coyote, I'd say that speaks volumes for the LSx platform.
It would take a very aggressive HCI LS1 to make the power that a basic HCI 5.0 can make. I would love to see a good street race or track run between the two though
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Gotcha. I agree but I also see it as because it's older technology it has more room to grow since it obviously wasn't optimized in factory guise. The coyote seems to be a more efficient design putting down 463 HP out of the crate a 62 hp advantage over the LS1. However since it is more efficient in factory guise, it doesn't gain as much when the mods come.
Despite everything, I agree and think that the LS1 did a great job holding its own against an engine that came to the market only 4 years ago.
Despite everything, I agree and think that the LS1 did a great job holding its own against an engine that came to the market only 4 years ago.
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I remember reading an article a while back where they ported the stock heads, boss intake and a moderate cam. With full bolt ons it was around 515 rwhp IIRC. If they come out with a good aftermarket casting watch out lol
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Ford modular engines have been out for a long time, and to date, there isn't really a good aftermarket casting out there for them. Those motors are not like the LSx platform in regards to head and cam swaps. How many 03/04 Terminators our there have aftermarket or ported heads? How many of them out there have aftermarket cams? Yeah, there are some with upgraded cams, but not that big of a percentage.
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Verdad Gallardo Ford modular engines have been out for a long time, and to date, there isn't really a good aftermarket casting out there for them. Those motors are not like the LSx platform in regards to head and cam swaps. How many 03/04 Terminators our there have aftermarket or ported heads? How many of them out there have aftermarket cams? Yeah, there are some with upgraded cams, but not that big of a percentage.
Yep, for the 2v, but not for the 4v. I'm sure that gains can be had by porting 4v heads, or even by having some company create an aftermarket casting, but the gains would be very minimal, and the cost to create them/sales ratio would not be in favor of the manufacturer. Just throw boost at the 4v and it's all good. That's why I love the LSx platform. If you want to stay NA and go with aftermarket heads (or ported stock heads) and a cam, you can net some huge gains, and then if you want to boost it, they are great for that too. The LSx is a versatile engine, while the 4v's are not.
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Yep, for the 2v, but not for the 4v. I'm sure that gains can be had by porting 4v heads, or even by having some company create an aftermarket casting, but the gains would be very minimal, and the cost to create them/sales ratio would not be in favor of the manufacturer. Just throw boost at the 4v and it's all good. That's why I love the LSx platform. If you want to stay NA and go with aftermarket heads (or ported stock heads) and a cam, you can net some huge gains, and then if you want to boost it, they are great for that too. The LSx is a versatile engine, while the 4v's are not.
The advantage I see with the LS1, LS2, and LS3 is cost. set of cams is at or more than $1k. Pretty interesting comparison though. The coyote is a beast considering its 302 CI.
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Yep, for the 2v, but not for the 4v. I'm sure that gains can be had by porting 4v heads, or even by having some company create an aftermarket casting, but the gains would be very minimal, and the cost to create them/sales ratio would not be in favor of the manufacturer. Just throw boost at the 4v and it's all good. That's why I love the LSx platform. If you want to stay NA and go with aftermarket heads (or ported stock heads) and a cam, you can net some huge gains, and then if you want to boost it, they are great for that too. The LSx is a versatile engine, while the 4v's are not.
You also have to remember that the Coyotes have variable cam timing, TiVCT or whatever it's called. From my limited DOHC knowledge, this means you can a much bigger cam for ultimate power while still having tame driving characteristics (and all the midrange you want).
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
You also have to remember that the Coyotes have variable cam timing, TiVCT or whatever it's called. From my limited DOHC knowledge, this means you can a much bigger cam for ultimate power while still having tame driving characteristics (and all the midrange you want).
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
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You also have to remember that the Coyotes have variable cam timing, TiVCT or whatever it's called. From my limited DOHC knowledge, this means you can a much bigger cam for ultimate power while still having tame driving characteristics (and all the midrange you want).
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
So that engine can have good top end, good mid range and excellent down low. Something not capable with the LSx really, as with any cam you offset power somewhere in the rev range to gain somewhere else. The Coyote can have the benefit of a donkey dick cam with the idle of a stock cam.
That surely will add to overall power if you can play with cam timing like that.
i am still surprised at how well the LS1 did post mods.
No you can't, because that dohc motor is big as ****. There's a reason no one uses them in swaps, because they wont ******* fit.
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I was reading down through this thread and about to say the same thing. The LSx has a tiny footprint compared to the Coyote. A good number of us swap guys have limited room because we're replacing a rotary/4 cylinder with a V8. RX-7, Miata, 240SX, the various Z's, S2000, etc... there is no way a Coyote would fit in these bays without major surgery. Not to mention the plethora of available donors out in junkyards.
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