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Well, if it is not too much a pain in the ***, maybe you can change plugs first to see whats up then do wires? This way we could rule out the plugs first and maybe save yourself some bucks. Also would pin point the exact problem so we all know for sure what it was. 
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Originally Posted by csmc711
Well, if it is not too much a pain in the ***, maybe you can change plugs first to see whats up then do wires? This way we could rule out the plugs first and maybe save yourself some bucks. Also would pin point the exact problem so we all know for sure what it was.
Thats kinda of funny that ron thinks MSD wires are junk! my car had only 10,000 miles on it when Speed Ink put in my cam,Larry called me at work and said they dynoed the car and that it had a miss in it passed 5,000.He suggested the MSD wires and guess what NO miss.The stock wires were junk,and they had never been on or off a plug.Now the MDS wires have been on the car for at least 4 years now and it still runs like a raped ape.
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How fast does a raped ape actually run? Secondly, who or what better could actually rape an ape? I mean, apes are say 20 times stronger then the strongest human. Maybe another ape? but they don't rape each other it's a proven fact. It's the dumbest saying I've ever heard and I hear it all the time so sorry I had to take a shot on it
More importantly though I think the point is stock wires work as good as MSD wires and they are easier to deal with. As you said above "Larry did this, Larry did that" it doesn't sound like YOU put them on yourself. I've put MSD's on my car and compared to a set of stock wires they do suck. It's hard to know when they are seated correctly on the plug it's also hard to know when they are seated correctly on the coil. For what they cost I was very disappointed in them. They did work with no issues but next time I'm going with stock wires due to the assurance I'll have knowing they are on correctly. Also the stock ones are easier to pull off and put back on IMO.
How fast does a raped ape actually run? Secondly, who or what better could actually rape an ape? I mean, apes are say 20 times stronger then the strongest human. Maybe another ape? but they don't rape each other it's a proven fact. It's the dumbest saying I've ever heard and I hear it all the time so sorry I had to take a shot on it
More importantly though I think the point is stock wires work as good as MSD wires and they are easier to deal with. As you said above "Larry did this, Larry did that" it doesn't sound like YOU put them on yourself. I've put MSD's on my car and compared to a set of stock wires they do suck. It's hard to know when they are seated correctly on the plug it's also hard to know when they are seated correctly on the coil. For what they cost I was very disappointed in them. They did work with no issues but next time I'm going with stock wires due to the assurance I'll have knowing they are on correctly. Also the stock ones are easier to pull off and put back on IMO.
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Stock wires are for stock cars.Race wires are for race cars.use what ever you like,this is a public forum to post past experiences, not for whining.
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I had a plug wire burn through one time. It happened after a cam install. I was very disapointed until I discovered the bad wire, then it ran like I expected it to. It was down about fifty rw also if I recall.
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If there is a cylider NOT FIRING, the unburnt air should show up as LEAN on the wideband. In the beginning of my turbo setup when I was constantly burning plug wires I could tell right away by a glance at the wideband. It would read lean. The WB on the dyno should have read the same.
If there is a cylider NOT FIRING, the unburnt air should show up as LEAN on the wideband. In the beginning of my turbo setup when I was constantly burning plug wires I could tell right away by a glance at the wideband. It would read lean. The WB on the dyno should have read the same.
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Well, the plug wires made no change. We're changing out the plugs first thing in the morning. The GMPP wires sure do go on easier with a nice "click" to let you know they're on the plug. No such wonderful feedback from the MSD's. So, since the wires were not the problem I'm not going to say anything more about the MSD wires other than the fact that they're much harder to put on than the GMPP wires. I know that one of the plugs has to have a cracked insulator and I'll post up which one it was tomorrow evening or whenever I get to a computer again. Thanks everyone.
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2nd plug back on the passenger side had several cracks running the length of the plug. Changed it out and the car is running smoothly again without breaking up or anything stupid. It'll spin 10" slicks through 2nd gear again out on the street. It'll get dyno tested at Vengeance on Wednesday so we're not going through the trouble of putting it back on the dyno here today as the problem has been identified and fixed. I'll post back with dyno numbers from Vengeance on Friday. Thanks everyone for your help on this one.
did you check if the injectors are fully 'clicked in?' i've had two separate cases where people would put in the injectors, but not all the way, and it would show up as misfires. if you have any scanning software, you can scan for misfires on each separate cylinder, that will at least localize which cylinder to look at, instead of checking all of them.
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2nd plug back on the passenger side had several cracks running the length of the plug. Changed it out and the car is running smoothly again without breaking up or anything stupid. It'll spin 10" slicks through 2nd gear again out on the street. It'll get dyno tested at Vengeance on Wednesday so we're not going through the trouble of putting it back on the dyno here today as the problem has been identified and fixed. I'll post back with dyno numbers from Vengeance on Friday. Thanks everyone for your help on this one.
Congrats on finding the cracked plug! What a relief for you that it is something so simple. So often I find in life that we as humans want things to be complicated because it suites us and our egos because we can't believe something as simple as X could be the cause of our failure. It's amusing sometimes. Post your dyno results!
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Dyno at Vengeance was at 333 which was what it dyno tested when I left Jeff Creech. Different dynamometers read differently so I can't tell you if the headers picked up a couple of horsepower/are the same or if they lost a couple. Sorry about that but they should make a difference now that Vengeance is installing a head/cam package for me. I'm sure they'll post up those dyno numbers when they get them. It was just such a relief finding something stupid that had happened.
