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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
I figure the $28.8 is just for the stickers?I've liked alot of Stangs but after seeing the performance #'s over and over it just makes me sick.Some poor sap buy's a 02-03 Stand that makes 230rwhp,adds a Procharger and get 390-410rwhp but it is very peaky.It's just plain sad.Maybe I'm just use to these pushrod V8's that actually make torque 
The SVT Cobra is on the right track.
Why doesn't Ford make these an option (400hp NA)
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=6787
Hehe, notice something funny about that first pic? Looks like a Ford tune shop or dealer, the bays are filled with Fords. Then look at the employee parking - 2 Chevy trucks! 
Originally Posted by NHRATA01
Hehe, notice something funny about that first pic? Looks like a Ford tune shop or dealer, the bays are filled with Fords. Then look at the employee parking - 2 Chevy trucks!
Oh I know, I just had to comment on the visual irony 
GM's car line really isn't much to write home about on the whole. They do make some nice performance cars, but their basic family sedans and compact cars are lagging behind that Japanese. Hopefully the Cobalt is a start on the right foot. But stupid GM let the ancient cavalier just fester for so long, people have such low expectations of the Cobalt. The G6 is looking nice so far. But comparing the Malibu to the Accord/Camry, or the Grand Prix to the Maxima, its not even close.
I worry the domestics are going through a repeat of the 70s. Making all their profits on big heavy SUVs and trucks, that when another gas crunch hits and the market rushes to compacts again, they'll be dealt a possible death blow.
GM's car line really isn't much to write home about on the whole. They do make some nice performance cars, but their basic family sedans and compact cars are lagging behind that Japanese. Hopefully the Cobalt is a start on the right foot. But stupid GM let the ancient cavalier just fester for so long, people have such low expectations of the Cobalt. The G6 is looking nice so far. But comparing the Malibu to the Accord/Camry, or the Grand Prix to the Maxima, its not even close.
I worry the domestics are going through a repeat of the 70s. Making all their profits on big heavy SUVs and trucks, that when another gas crunch hits and the market rushes to compacts again, they'll be dealt a possible death blow.
Originally Posted by NHRATA01
Oh I know, I just had to comment on the visual irony
GM's car line really isn't much to write home about on the whole. They do make some nice performance cars, but their basic family sedans and compact cars are lagging behind that Japanese. Hopefully the Cobalt is a start on the right foot. But stupid GM let the ancient cavalier just fester for so long, people have such low expectations of the Cobalt. The G6 is looking nice so far. But comparing the Malibu to the Accord/Camry, or the Grand Prix to the Maxima, its not even close.
I worry the domestics are going through a repeat of the 70s. Making all their profits on big heavy SUVs and trucks, that when another gas crunch hits and the market rushes to compacts again, they'll be dealt a possible death blow.
GM's car line really isn't much to write home about on the whole. They do make some nice performance cars, but their basic family sedans and compact cars are lagging behind that Japanese. Hopefully the Cobalt is a start on the right foot. But stupid GM let the ancient cavalier just fester for so long, people have such low expectations of the Cobalt. The G6 is looking nice so far. But comparing the Malibu to the Accord/Camry, or the Grand Prix to the Maxima, its not even close.
I worry the domestics are going through a repeat of the 70s. Making all their profits on big heavy SUVs and trucks, that when another gas crunch hits and the market rushes to compacts again, they'll be dealt a possible death blow.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
8, maybe a 9
I wouldn't be knocking the new GM cars with the LS4 in them too much though, the only thing Ford has to compete with them is a Taurus and maybe the new 500, not quite a 303hp V8 pulling those two around though.
I wouldn't be knocking the new GM cars with the LS4 in them too much though, the only thing Ford has to compete with them is a Taurus and maybe the new 500, not quite a 303hp V8 pulling those two around though.
The 500s are really nice. They are huge inside, and really really nice. But Ford used the same Duratec....205 hp I think....car weighs 3900s I think. Do the Math....It would be about on par with the mighty KHR....
With a stronger motor, say an extra 45 horsepower, that would be a great car....
Well Ford lovers, GM is already discounting new C6's deep into the mid-forties, so why don't you post up a pic of a nice C6? With little work, they will kick the *** off most every new blue oval performance car out there w/out adding a supercharger, and their quality and resale value far exceed the Ford stuff. So cut the bullshit and wake up to what's really up....This is a Chevrolet site, remember? BTW, Just watch what a fairly well-prepped '05 GTO does to the blue ovals this spring at the dragstrips.... WJ 
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Originally Posted by WJ SOM SS
Well Ford lovers, GM is already discounting new C6's deep into the mid-forties, so why don't you post up a pic of a nice C6? With little work, they will kick the *** off most every new blue oval performance car out there w/out adding a supercharger, and their quality and resale value far exceed the Ford stuff. So cut the bullshit and wake up to what's really up....This is a Chevrolet site, remember? BTW, Just watch what a fairly well-prepped '05 GTO does to the blue ovals this spring at the dragstrips.... WJ
However- compare it to this if you want to talk "flagship" cars:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/m...d=4&timer=true
Engine Type: DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder, supercharged V-8
Engine Displacement (L): 5.4
Bore/Stroke (mm): 90.2x105.8
Displacement (cu in/cc): 330/5409
Compression Ratio (in/mm): 8.4:1
Material: Aluminum block
Horsepower @ RPM: 550@6,500
Torque @ RPM (lb ft): 500@3,750
Originally Posted by Mr. B
No, I'm a "performance" and "styling" fan.
The car was sold for what it was worth.. and I don't question your decisions about what you do, so I don't think that comment was called for. I'm happy with the resolution, so don't be a dick.
The car was sold for what it was worth.. and I don't question your decisions about what you do, so I don't think that comment was called for. I'm happy with the resolution, so don't be a dick.
Problem with the saleens is even the 2003-2004 were stickered in the 55k and up range for hardly anything worhty performance wise. Hopefully the new ones are a better bargain.
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thats alright the new Z06 will be good competition for the GT and half the price. not to mention you will be able to buy one without the big price mark ups. the ford dealership my buddy works at is on the list to get a new GT, but after almost a year they still dont have it. not to mention their highest bidder on it is up to over 225 grand now i think.
Ya sure....Those GT's are really competetively priced w/the Corvette...You could buy 3 new Z06 Vettes for the price of 1 GT....And just watch the Z06's blow them off.... I am in denial. Denial of buying a Ford..... 
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