APS KIT/ TTI @ 1000rwhp possible????
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upgraded Aps and ohio forced induction are about the only ready made kits out there that can meet those hp numbers and keep the a.c.Don't know if you can even get the ofi kit now.I haven't heard anybody say anything about Joel's status lately.I think the tti street kit is a great kit if you can be happy with about 600 hp,but thats about it.The tti race kit is a great kit,but wont keep the a.c.You can always go with a custom kit and get what you want,you are already familiar with that route.
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Since you already have a TT car, why not go with something like a Procharger D1SC or F1? This way you wouldnt have to worry about insta-boost like with a TT system and it would be something a little different? Just throwing ideas out there as it seems that you may be border-line with the two kits listed.
Turbos aren't insta boost you can control power with your right foot and they have good electronic boost controllers out there like ams 500 or ams 1000 and the eboost 2 to ramp up the boost to help traction.
I have been in a couple of procharger cars and now have a tt car and its no comparison for power band or torque or hp. The turbos crush the centrifical in all areas.
And to some even the area of sound turbos win hands down with their spool up sounds over the ati super sounds especially gear rattle at idle which most centrificals have and which annoys me.
At the track the centrificals run prettty close to the turbos as you can leave at higher rpm and keep up higher in the boost range. On tne street you have to gear down more or and going up thru the gears the turbo wins hands down. Turbos you can also get two steps and antilag devices to let you leave the line at high boost. Course you can as said rev the super to 6000 and launch also and this will give you more boost with those off the line.
Personally would rather have a kenne bell twin screw if didn't have the turbos. Those at least have big power and torque down low and thru the range but of course still not as effecient as turbos overall. And too much instant down low torque is a problem of its own and no way to ramp in the boost I don't think. But think saw some boost controller fitting to ati setup on here while back?? So maybe someone can add one to a roots type or twin screw also. That would be a good thing.
I have been in a couple of procharger cars and now have a tt car and its no comparison for power band or torque or hp. The turbos crush the centrifical in all areas.
And to some even the area of sound turbos win hands down with their spool up sounds over the ati super sounds especially gear rattle at idle which most centrificals have and which annoys me.
At the track the centrificals run prettty close to the turbos as you can leave at higher rpm and keep up higher in the boost range. On tne street you have to gear down more or and going up thru the gears the turbo wins hands down. Turbos you can also get two steps and antilag devices to let you leave the line at high boost. Course you can as said rev the super to 6000 and launch also and this will give you more boost with those off the line.
Personally would rather have a kenne bell twin screw if didn't have the turbos. Those at least have big power and torque down low and thru the range but of course still not as effecient as turbos overall. And too much instant down low torque is a problem of its own and no way to ramp in the boost I don't think. But think saw some boost controller fitting to ati setup on here while back?? So maybe someone can add one to a roots type or twin screw also. That would be a good thing.
Turbos aren't insta boost you can control power with your right foot and they have good electronic boost controllers out there like ams 500 or ams 1000 and the eboost 2 to ramp up the boost to help traction.
I have been in a couple of procharger cars and now have a tt car and its no comparison for power band or torque or hp. The turbos crush the centrifical in all areas.
And to some even the area of sound turbos win hands down with their spool up sounds over the ati super sounds especially gear rattle at idle which most centrificals have and which annoys me.
At the track the centrificals run prettty close to the turbos as you can leave at higher rpm and keep up higher in the boost range. On tne street you have to gear down more or and going up thru the gears the turbo wins hands down. Turbos you can also get two steps and antilag devices to let you leave the line at high boost. Course you can as said rev the super to 6000 and launch also and this will give you more boost with those off the line.
Personally would rather have a kenne bell twin screw if didn't have the turbos. Those at least have big power and torque down low and thru the range but of course still not as effecient as turbos overall. And too much instant down low torque is a problem of its own and no way to ramp in the boost I don't think. But think saw some boost controller fitting to ati setup on here while back?? So maybe someone can add one to a roots type or twin screw also. That would be a good thing.
I have been in a couple of procharger cars and now have a tt car and its no comparison for power band or torque or hp. The turbos crush the centrifical in all areas.
And to some even the area of sound turbos win hands down with their spool up sounds over the ati super sounds especially gear rattle at idle which most centrificals have and which annoys me.
At the track the centrificals run prettty close to the turbos as you can leave at higher rpm and keep up higher in the boost range. On tne street you have to gear down more or and going up thru the gears the turbo wins hands down. Turbos you can also get two steps and antilag devices to let you leave the line at high boost. Course you can as said rev the super to 6000 and launch also and this will give you more boost with those off the line.
Personally would rather have a kenne bell twin screw if didn't have the turbos. Those at least have big power and torque down low and thru the range but of course still not as effecient as turbos overall. And too much instant down low torque is a problem of its own and no way to ramp in the boost I don't think. But think saw some boost controller fitting to ati setup on here while back?? So maybe someone can add one to a roots type or twin screw also. That would be a good thing.
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TTi Street kit keeps the AC but won't get you to 1000 RWHP.
TTi Race kit drops AC but can get you in the neighborhood of 1000 RWHP. The old A2W kit is plenty streetable. MM and I both ran 9.9s around 140mph on the original Innovative GT80R. MM has fit the PTE88 with hot side modifications for 9.0s @ 155 and I've fit the FI S80 with less modifications for 9.4s @ 149. I think NicD has gone 9.5s @ 143 but I'm not sure which turbo. Ryan K has run the new Air2Air kit comes with a slightly larger Turbonetics 83mm turbo that is shown good progress to 9.8s @ 144. Sunnoco 94 octane and meth were good for 9.6s at 144 with the FI S80 on my car in street trim.
I'm the big cube guy in the crew at 402ci and it's instant on even with the S80. You will want to keep your exhaust as simple as possible though (use the 4" dp to a electric cutout and flow exhaust or dump to the mufler before the axle) if you intend to ever crank things up above 17lbs of boost with that many cubes for simple back pressure reasons which would impact all kits with 4xx cubes.
The TTi race kit has been flawless for the things I've wanted to do with a car that I can take the kids to school in and run around town and I don't think you'll find anywone that's put as miles on their cars as MM has done with this kind of power.
Rick
TTi Race kit drops AC but can get you in the neighborhood of 1000 RWHP. The old A2W kit is plenty streetable. MM and I both ran 9.9s around 140mph on the original Innovative GT80R. MM has fit the PTE88 with hot side modifications for 9.0s @ 155 and I've fit the FI S80 with less modifications for 9.4s @ 149. I think NicD has gone 9.5s @ 143 but I'm not sure which turbo. Ryan K has run the new Air2Air kit comes with a slightly larger Turbonetics 83mm turbo that is shown good progress to 9.8s @ 144. Sunnoco 94 octane and meth were good for 9.6s at 144 with the FI S80 on my car in street trim.
I'm the big cube guy in the crew at 402ci and it's instant on even with the S80. You will want to keep your exhaust as simple as possible though (use the 4" dp to a electric cutout and flow exhaust or dump to the mufler before the axle) if you intend to ever crank things up above 17lbs of boost with that many cubes for simple back pressure reasons which would impact all kits with 4xx cubes.
The TTi race kit has been flawless for the things I've wanted to do with a car that I can take the kids to school in and run around town and I don't think you'll find anywone that's put as miles on their cars as MM has done with this kind of power.
Rick
so you all don't think with the TTI street kit that 1000rwhp is possible with say a 408? Is where the turbo placement is, restricting you from putting up something bigger like a S91 in there or an 88mm turbo?
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don't think that there is enough room with this kit for a larger turbo and I also think you would have problems with backpressure due to the way the exhaust cross over runs
