Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Sts Oil Restrictor Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 24, 2009 | 10:08 PM
  #1  
chase3's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 202
Likes: 1
Default Sts Oil Restrictor Question

ok im in getting ready to install t76 sts..just trying to get all my ducks in a row..i have read the thread about buying the restrictors and running the pump on high all the time by doing away with the resistor..my question is that should you do both the restrictor and run the pump on high? pretty new to this but dont want to starve turbo of oil..Thanks for help..Chase
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:48 AM
  #2  
The Fugitive's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
20 Year Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 563
Likes: 0
From: Reno, NV
Default

yes do both this will keep oil from getting on your MAF and other things. It would be a good way to start and upgrade you oil pump to a Mocal.
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2009 | 08:39 AM
  #3  
shawn_c992001's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 263
Likes: 0
From: Arnett WV
Default

I just run my pump on high at all times with no restrictor. Everything is nice and clean.
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2009 | 06:54 PM
  #4  
Turbo 6.0's Avatar
TECH Regular
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Default

The whole restrictor thing is completly unnecessary. The STS kit is designed without a restrictor and it works great. People have been using the restrictor to compensate for something else that is causing a problem, I.E. improper installation!!!!
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2009 | 10:34 PM
  #5  
TURBO6.0L's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 214
Likes: 1
From: Oregon
Default

Agree 100% with previous posters. Put your pump on high and don't use a restrictor. STS claims that they get turbos back fairly ofter due to burned up bearings from people using restrictors, the wrong size return, or poor return line routing.
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 12:50 AM
  #6  
The Fugitive's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
20 Year Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 563
Likes: 0
From: Reno, NV
Default

the restrictor is used to keep too much oil from entering the turbo I assume. It lets only so much in there because with it running on high it is creating more of a vacuum but I don't know for sure cause I am not sure because I kinda use one but not really it is more of a valve.
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:52 AM
  #7  
chase3's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 202
Likes: 1
Default

yeah i believe i am going to run pump on high at all times and use no restrictor..even with ported oil pump and added washers for more psi (old turbo buck trick of my dads) during the summer 100+ degree heat at idle i will see only 20 psi oil pressure..IMO thats a little low to use restrictor and pump on high...so that s what i will do..Thanks for the replies !! Chase
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 12:23 PM
  #8  
Texas_WS6's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 2
From: Odessa, Texas
Default

I am running a rear mount GT-88 with the mocal oil pump. Hot wire kit direct to the oil pump, so max power all the time. I do not use a restrictor but I do use a 1 psi pressure check on the inlet of the turbo to keep the oil from migrating into the turbo once the engine and pumps are shut off. My pressure at idle on a hot 105 degree day is 40 psi at 800 rpm. I also run 20w50 oil. There is no need for a Restrictor but you will need the check. I think STS kits come with a check. Good luck.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:35 PM
  #9  
chase3's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 202
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Texas_WS6
I am running a rear mount GT-88 with the mocal oil pump. Hot wire kit direct to the oil pump, so max power all the time. I do not use a restrictor but I do use a 1 psi pressure check on the inlet of the turbo to keep the oil from migrating into the turbo once the engine and pumps are shut off. My pressure at idle on a hot 105 degree day is 40 psi at 800 rpm. I also run 20w50 oil. There is no need for a Restrictor but you will need the check. I think STS kits come with a check. Good luck.
yes most definetly will have the check valve!!! THanks for the info man..i want a mocal but turbos are FAR from cheap so a little down the road i will put one on..Chase
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 02:00 PM
  #10  
Texas_WS6's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 2
From: Odessa, Texas
Default

Yes, do not forget the check. I knew nothing about installing the check in my setup at first. When I first fired it up all was good but then after shutting it down and coming back out the next day, when I fired it back up it blew oil out the exhaust, at least a quart of oil. I thought I had a bad seal in the turbo. Did some research and found out about the check. I installed it and now the problem is completely gone.

Before I found out about the check I even built a 2 quart catch can, like a dry sump would have. The check valve worked perfectly so I never installed the catch can.

When you get your turbo, if you look into the oil inlet you will see two small holes drilled going to each bearing. Those holes work like "restrictors". They are taken into account during the engineering of the turbo by the manufactures. They will allow the correct amount of pressurized oil into the turbo, so there is no need for use to re-engineer this with restrictors unless you have some killer oil pressure, like 100+ psi. If you have that kind of oil pressure you will wash the rod and main bearings out, so there is no reason to run that kind of oil pressure, no reason to install a restrictor, no need to re-design the turbo oiling, just supply the oil to the turbo post oil filter, put a 1 psi check so the oil in the engine oil galleys does not migrate into the turbo once you shut it off, and make sure you have a pump that will move all the oil back to the oil pan. Make sure the oil return is above the oil level so the air in the oil can get out before falling back into the pan, and try to return the oil below the windage trey so your crankshaft is not playing patty cake with it. If you are running forged pistons go to a heavier oil like 20w50 and you should be good to go.

Good luck.
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 06:46 PM
  #11  
chase3's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 202
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Texas_WS6
Yes, do not forget the check. I knew nothing about installing the check in my setup at first. When I first fired it up all was good but then after shutting it down and coming back out the next day, when I fired it back up it blew oil out the exhaust, at least a quart of oil. I thought I had a bad seal in the turbo. Did some research and found out about the check. I installed it and now the problem is completely gone.

Before I found out about the check I even built a 2 quart catch can, like a dry sump would have. The check valve worked perfectly so I never installed the catch can.

When you get your turbo, if you look into the oil inlet you will see two small holes drilled going to each bearing. Those holes work like "restrictors". They are taken into account during the engineering of the turbo by the manufactures. They will allow the correct amount of pressurized oil into the turbo, so there is no need for use to re-engineer this with restrictors unless you have some killer oil pressure, like 100+ psi. If you have that kind of oil pressure you will wash the rod and main bearings out, so there is no reason to run that kind of oil pressure, no reason to install a restrictor, no need to re-design the turbo oiling, just supply the oil to the turbo post oil filter, put a 1 psi check so the oil in the engine oil galleys does not migrate into the turbo once you shut it off, and make sure you have a pump that will move all the oil back to the oil pan. Make sure the oil return is above the oil level so the air in the oil can get out before falling back into the pan, and try to return the oil below the windage trey so your crankshaft is not playing patty cake with it. If you are running forged pistons go to a heavier oil like 20w50 and you should be good to go.

Good luck.
yes forged rods and pistons..only thing is that i dont want to pull pan to weld a bung in so i will prob end up with it running to the valve cover unfortunatly..Thanks for all the info man!! Chase
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2009 | 11:27 AM
  #12  
Texas_WS6's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 2
From: Odessa, Texas
Default

Draining back threw the valve cover will work for now. I had mine draining threw the oil cap. I just drilled it and installed a fitting. If you ever end up needing to pull the engine you can modify the pan then.

Good luck and keep us posted on you results.
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2009 | 12:46 PM
  #13  
chase3's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 202
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Texas_WS6
Draining back threw the valve cover will work for now. I had mine draining threw the oil cap. I just drilled it and installed a fitting. If you ever end up needing to pull the engine you can modify the pan then.

Good luck and keep us posted on you results.
Thanks man!! I plan to make a build thread out of it...hoping to run 10 or 12 psi throught the t76 and see what it does..and yes first chance i get i will put the bung on the pan..Chase
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2009 | 07:26 PM
  #14  
Rhythm's Avatar
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Default

What size line are you guys using for the turbo feed with no restrictor?
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2009 | 10:11 AM
  #15  
Texas_WS6's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 2
From: Odessa, Texas
Default

-4 is what I am using. and -10 for the return after the return pump, -12 from turbo drain to the return pump.
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2010 | 03:07 PM
  #16  
Accel Junky's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Texas_WS6
I am running a rear mount GT-88 with the mocal oil pump. Hot wire kit direct to the oil pump, so max power all the time. I do not use a restrictor but I do use a 1 psi pressure check on the inlet of the turbo to keep the oil from migrating into the turbo once the engine and pumps are shut off. My pressure at idle on a hot 105 degree day is 40 psi at 800 rpm. I also run 20w50 oil. There is no need for a Restrictor but you will need the check. I think STS kits come with a check. Good luck.
I'm building plans for my rear mount, can you elaborate on the 1psi check valve? Assuming I'm running -4an to a pushloc 90 on the turbo inlet, what specs to I need on that valve? I'm assuming it keeps the oil from draining into the turbo after the car is shut off but when pressure exceeds 1psi the oil is allowed through?

Thanks!
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2010 | 04:33 PM
  #17  
BadgeZ28's Avatar
TECH Resident
20 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 811
Likes: 2
From: Oregon
Default

yes, I need a part number as well. McMaster has check valves. One seems to meet the needs but it is limited to 180 degrees F.
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:35 PM
  #18  
JAX04's Avatar
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,220
Likes: 1
From: Indy
Default

i have the one from STS, i got lucky and found it for dirt *** cheap. But i have seen the ones from mcmaster work great as well.

Last edited by JAX04; Jun 29, 2010 at 09:49 PM.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:07 AM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE