A/A intercooler to support 1000rwhp? Will eBay 4" unit support this....
I built my own intercooler using treadstones 25x6x3.5 vertical flow cores. I built it 28.5 wide.
Here's a pic:
My car weighs 3500lbs, runs on pump gas and meth, and has a run a best of 9.1@155.
My IAT temps in 95 degree heat is around 85 degrees at the end of the run, in cooler temps it's around 75-78 degrees.
I'm using a Alky Control Meth kit running a #10 and #15 nozzle.
The Treadstone cores seem to work really well for me.
Here's a pic:
My car weighs 3500lbs, runs on pump gas and meth, and has a run a best of 9.1@155.
My IAT temps in 95 degree heat is around 85 degrees at the end of the run, in cooler temps it's around 75-78 degrees.
I'm using a Alky Control Meth kit running a #10 and #15 nozzle.
The Treadstone cores seem to work really well for me.
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From: Norn Iron
That doesnt make sense ? How can your boosted intake charge temps be cooler than ambient ? ( or are you always using meth ? )
I did consider a core like that for mine, but I just couldnt get my head around how it could possibly cool enough.
With my previous setup, after a quick 3rd and 4th blast, temps would rise from say 72degF at the start, to 125degF at the end. Thats only a few seconds, say 6-8 seconds or so.. Thats on the road, IC core only, no meth. A large temp increase really, showing the IC is pretty bad at its job.
When racing I always used meth, so it doesnt give any valid data about whether the intercooler is any good or not. With the meth on, temps did usually drop ( although they did still increase a bit when racing, but not much.
With this new core, 24" tubes, 4.5" thick and 15" tall.
At the start of a run, IAT's were about 61degF ( was a cooler day ), at the end of the same 3-4 run, temps were a much better 90degF
Massive improvement over old.
I havent actually done any racing/logging with the new core apart from some road use. Havent tried it at all with meth yet.
Fit as big, and the best core you can afford and physically fit in the car
I did consider a core like that for mine, but I just couldnt get my head around how it could possibly cool enough.
With my previous setup, after a quick 3rd and 4th blast, temps would rise from say 72degF at the start, to 125degF at the end. Thats only a few seconds, say 6-8 seconds or so.. Thats on the road, IC core only, no meth. A large temp increase really, showing the IC is pretty bad at its job.
When racing I always used meth, so it doesnt give any valid data about whether the intercooler is any good or not. With the meth on, temps did usually drop ( although they did still increase a bit when racing, but not much.
With this new core, 24" tubes, 4.5" thick and 15" tall.
At the start of a run, IAT's were about 61degF ( was a cooler day ), at the end of the same 3-4 run, temps were a much better 90degF
Massive improvement over old.
I havent actually done any racing/logging with the new core apart from some road use. Havent tried it at all with meth yet.
Fit as big, and the best core you can afford and physically fit in the car
What is the biggest A2A front mount you can put in a camaro? I was looking at the 1000hp ebay intercooler as well, but my car is just a street car. I don't care too much about racing, but don't want to have to high of IAT's and detonate.
Anyone? Those bell cores are out of my price range plus I'd need to weld up endcaps. Is there something a little cheaper yet better then the ebay $100 intercooler? I'd love to fill the whole front bumper of my SS with an A2A intercooler.
I haven't contacted them yet since I'm not quite ready to buy an intercooler yet, just want to plan everything out first. I'm buying a pt88, 50mm tial WG and 50mm turbosmart bov hopefully in the next week or two. Intercooler will come next.
Guys the Ebay Style intercoolers with a 24"x12"x4" cores will support 900rwhp. I have some customer doing it. Some making more than that. Be realistic with your setups. Stand back and ask yourself what it is your car is really capable of.
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Exactly what Josh said, just use the ebay and spend the extra on a meth kit, thats what im doing, and if I cant spool it fast enough it gets a 100 shot of nitrous. Thats cause my turbo is HUGE.
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From: Norn Iron
Hitting the power isnt the problem. A dyno pull lasts only a few seconds, as does a 1/4 mile pass
The problems may arise if you need to access that power, over longer periods of time, when innefficiences with the actual cooloing ability may crop up.
If you intend to use high power, for extended durations, then thats when the intercooler must perform.
The problems may arise if you need to access that power, over longer periods of time, when innefficiences with the actual cooloing ability may crop up.
If you intend to use high power, for extended durations, then thats when the intercooler must perform.
^^^ what he said, if your going to be in it all the time spend the money on a a2w or huge core a2a but at that point you could have just went ebay intercooler and meth. If your spending the money either way just get a good a2w and be done with it. Im not going a2w for a few years but thats when I want to push 1200+ to the tire.
Ok well I think I am going to go with the eBay intercooler and meth. It's a street car so I will be driving around on hot sunny summer days, so I guess meth is a must. I'm going to need a big container to hold a couple gallons of meth. Do you really just use 50% washer fluid and 50% water?
I just can't see how adding water even though is mixed with meth is a good thing. I never would have that washer fluid would be ok.
I doubt the cxracing A2W is good to 1000hp. That's what they rate there A2A is rayed for. I'd bet it'd be about the same.
I doubt the cxracing A2W is good to 1000hp. That's what they rate there A2A is rayed for. I'd bet it'd be about the same.
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Water adds safety to the liquid.. Water has the ability to remove more heat than methanol. If methanol was a better coolant....we'd be using it in our cooling systems too. But we arent.
Methanol adds energy to the mix though, as its also a fuel.
Methanol adds energy to the mix though, as its also a fuel.
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Exactly, so it can extract huge amounts of heat energy before it boils.
Once it boils, it cant remove any more heat ( as far as I remember lol )
As methanol boils at a much lower temperature, it has less ability to remove heat.
Once it boils, it cant remove any more heat ( as far as I remember lol )
As methanol boils at a much lower temperature, it has less ability to remove heat.
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Anyone else using the vertical flow treadstone cores? The 25"x9"x3.5" core is supposed to handle 1300hp and flow about 1500cfm. Should keep the iat's cool and flow pretty good. Its also pretty easy on the wallet. I'm pretty sure its the one I'm going to go with for my TT GTO.