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Old 02-27-2015, 03:31 PM
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Bringing back an old thread. 454 LS Iron Dart Block. 9:4:1 F2 Procharger. 4 bolt head with a 28.5 psi pulley. Boost went above 30psi but the graphs show 22 psi when the coolant pressure spiked. Essentially the heads lifted at 22psi with cometic head gaskets 4.205 gaskets.053 thick.
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But a blower puts additional stress on the block-crank so I'd assume the treshold for a turbo powered application would be higher
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overboosting too early in the rpms and excess cyl pressure too early can bend up some pretty nice parts

a little bigger turbo and lag that ramps upstairs and really comes on can be a good way to go

I have the ttix kit and it actually hits a bit hard with the tiny turbos
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I've got a tune up that will smoke 4-bolt head gaskets with an F2 procharger if anyone is interested. lol
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The freeze plug blew out the back of the block behind the flywheel too lol. ****!!! I just wanted to post this video since it was done last week to show what lifting the heads looks like and pressure needed on CNC Ported GM LS3 4 Bolt Heads.
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Originally Posted by bad6as
a thick deck head, new ls9 7 layer gaskets and arp studs with a good tune mine should see 1k to the flywheel
this guy right here maxed out his 3bar map sensor (35# of boost) on a 370 with a 88mm turbo. never pushed water
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Originally Posted by ZEX-Z
The freeze plug blew out the back of the block behind the flywheel too lol. ****!!! I just wanted to post this video since it was done last week to show what lifting the heads looks like and pressure needed on CNC Ported GM LS3 4 Bolt Heads.
Where did you steam clean the floor at?
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Haha a. Steam cleaned. Yea...I felt bad. KP Racing. I'm having to pull the motor to get to the rear freeze plug that blew out behind the flywheel too. Tapping then bitches this time and sealing for good. If it lifts the head this next time hopefully it'll blow out a radiator hose lol and not a freeze plug.

And that guy who says he's running 35psi on a 4 bolt head is either running 8:4:1 compression or he's Oring-ed his block and head or he's a liar. 22psi and **** got ugly real quick on a brand new engine. I just showed that. What computer are you running. What kind of car. The Corvettes factory PCM can only read 22 psi of map,after that the Tuner can add up to 30psi through hp tuners into the computer. Past that point an aftermarket computer is required.
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What did your AFR do when that boost pressure zoomed up? Looked like some bad stuff happened quick and in a hurry. That even looked like a freeze plug rolling across the floor.
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Originally Posted by ZEX-Z
Haha a. Steam cleaned. Yea...I felt bad. KP Racing. I'm having to pull the motor to get to the rear freeze plug that blew out behind the flywheel too. Tapping then bitches this time and sealing for good. If it lifts the head this next time hopefully it'll blow out a radiator hose lol and not a freeze plug.

And that guy who says he's running 35psi on a 4 bolt head is either running 8:4:1 compression or he's Oring-ed his block and head or he's a liar. 22psi and **** got ugly real quick on a brand new engine. I just showed that. What computer are you running. What kind of car. The Corvettes factory PCM can only read 22 psi of map,after that the Tuner can add up to 30psi through hp tuners into the computer. Past that point an aftermarket computer is required.
I agree. 35lbs on 4 bolts with gaskets isn't happening. A lot of guys run 22lbs, with LS9 gaskets, without issue, but it seems to be a bit of a crap shoot. I have a buddy who is going through this right now. Pushing water at 22lbs, with trick flow heads and cometics. Myself, I am using LS9 gaskets but I think I will keep it to 18 lbs. max and be happy with that on the 4 bolts.
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At the risk of mudding the water and possibly making myself sound like a moron, why is everyone concerned about boost number? Making power is not about boost, but about flow capacity. Boost is a measure of resistance and past a certain point will only generate heat, not power.

Having the right components like good flowing heads, proper cam, etc...will allow you to make more power at lower boost levels, which should ultimately be the goal for anyone.

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Andrew,

I agree with you. I was just surprised the 454 cid set up popped like that. Maybe those heads were too restrictive for that much flow. That's why I was wanting more information on the situation.

Denmah has shown us enough crazy good tuned up runs on here to make me curious about what is causing issues.
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You guys calling bullshit on 35 lbs on gaskets obviously haven't see the guy on here with the fox body that was pushing 40+ lbs on a stock 5.3 with factory heads. It lasted forever too.
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Yes that was a freeze plugs rolling across the floor. 5.3 with 40psi...weirder **** has happend.
I was unlucky I guess...but I was pushing too much boost. I'm gonna drop it down to 20psi with 6 bolt heads. Or 18psi with 4 bolt.
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yup, boost is just stacked up air with no where to go

on my old turbo buick, I upgraded the heads and turbo at the same time

lowered the boost from 23 to 18 psi, ZERO detonation, and the car picked up from 11.2 to 10.8

cfm and cyl pressure tell the tale, but are harder to discuss and measure
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Smaller bore has less surface area to push up with higher cylinder pressures as well.
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How about going to 1/2 l19 in studs? If you're gonna go for 1500+ it's worth it
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6 bolt heads and 1/2 studs are on the way. I'll get it right. Car sounded good though right lol
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Originally Posted by ZEX-Z
6 bolt heads and 1/2 studs are on the way. I'll get it right. Car sounded good though right lol
For about two seconds...Then damn!
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Hahahaha!!! I know right!!!!!













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