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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 11:32 AM
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Everything I have seen indicates that mesh is worse for flow than an air filter.
Is there a specific filter that everyone is using?
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 11:37 AM
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I would like to check the back pressure on mine eventually. Not sure when I'll get around to it though. If I remember correctly people say that the mesh causes turbulence but a cone filter allows a straight path for the air to flow into the turbo.
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Originally Posted by black-sinner
Is there a specific filter that everyone is using?
I'm using this AEM one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AEM-9-X4-CONICAL-DRYFLOW-AIR-FILTER-ELEMENT-21-2059DK-/350587991503?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51a0ac35cf&vxp=mtr
If it will fit your car it's the best bang for the buck. I looked up plenty of reviews and AEM seemed to outflow any other filter it was tested against (3rd party testing). Otherwise Race Part Solutions has shorter ones that a lot of people use.

But you'll definitely need to get a bigger drain on it. I have -10 and I think I might be pushing the limit. I may end up switching to -12 eventually.
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Slow94Formula
I would like to check the back pressure on mine eventually. Not sure when I'll get around to it though. If I remember correctly people say that the mesh causes turbulence but a cone filter allows a straight path for the air to flow into the turbo.
I guess i'll weld in a provision for a pressure gauge at the merge when i get my turbo back...
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 11:43 AM
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I am running an AEM filter as well.
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Slow94Formula
I'm using this AEM one. Aem 9"x4" Conical Dryflow Air Filter Element 21 2059DK | eBay

If it will fit your car it's the best bang for the buck. I looked up plenty of reviews and AEM seemed to outflow any other filter it was tested against (3rd party testing). Otherwise Race Part Solutions has shorter ones that a lot of people use.

But you'll definitely need to get a bigger drain on it. I have -10 and I think I might be pushing the limit. I may end up switching to -12 eventually.
Thanks for the info bro... No it's tight is **** in the bay so i guess i'll try to find a short one
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 02:39 PM
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Air filters have a ton more surface area than the mesh screens, and are able to flow a lot more air. For instance, take your typical cone filter and cut it off and lay it out flat and compare the surface area to that vs a mesh screen that just covers the turbo inlet.

I put my backpressure gauge in the crossover pipe.
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by atomic
air filters have a ton more surface area than the mesh screens, and are able to flow a lot more air. For instance, take your typical cone filter and cut it off and lay it out flat and compare the surface area to that vs a mesh screen that just covers the turbo inlet.

I put my backpressure gauge in the crossover pipe.
yep a 4inch mesh screen has 4inches of surface area to suck through, a 9inch long by 4inch filter has 36inchs of surface to breath through
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 9sectruck
yep a 4inch mesh screen has 4inches of surface area to suck through, a 9inch long by 4inch filter has 36inchs of surface to breath through
So basically what you guys are saying is the PT88 isn't supposed to create much BP on the exhaust side with a t4 and a .96a/r on a 370ci engine at about 18psi of manifold pressure.

And that my turbo was killed by a 1$ piece of mesh on the compressor side.

Is this correct?
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 04:05 PM
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I would say bp is starting to get up there but not to the point of killing the turbo inless you have sum stupid overlap cam in the engine
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 04:09 PM
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Like I mentioned earlier BP ratio was probably around 2:1 at the level, which isnt enough, IMO, to trash a turbo, but combined with the added thrust from the compressor side...eh...maybe. The screen definitely didnt help any though. You would pick up a lot of power without it.
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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pt88 on my 370 have only ran at track a tad under 20psi and have been 154mph at 3700lbs. not sure on BP never looked into checking it but do plan on going with a different turbo after this year
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 9sectruck
I would say bp is starting to get up there but not to the point of killing the turbo inless you have sum stupid overlap cam in the engine
Cam is speed inc. TU1 , would the BP be responsible for the power drop up top?
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 9sectruck
I would say bp is starting to get up there but not to the point of killing the turbo inless you have sum stupid overlap cam in the engine
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pt88 on my 370 have only ran at track a tad under 20psi and have been 154mph at 3700lbs. not sure on BP never looked into checking it but do plan on going with a different turbo after this year
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Like I mentioned earlier BP ratio was probably around 2:1 at the level, which isnt enough, IMO, to trash a turbo, but combined with the added thrust from the compressor side...eh...maybe. The screen definitely didnt help any though. You would pick up a lot of power without it.
If BP isn't that much then WTF is causing the turbo to fail?
Anyone have any experience on a bigger a/r on the pt88? Would it stop the power dropping off at 6k rpm?
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 08:15 PM
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yep a 4inch mesh screen has 4inches of surface area to suck through, a 9inch long by 4inch filter has 36inchs of surface to breath through
A 4-inch mesh screen covers 12.56 square inches of surface area minus whatever surface area the screen covers. a 9" by 4" cone filter has roughly 113.04 square inches of surface area minus the surface area covered by the actual filter material. Regardless, the cone apparently wins, but your math is off.
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Old Apr 15, 2013 | 08:43 PM
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Mesh is prob the problem but excessive back psi after turbine can also knock out thrust. I noticed this with my GT76 after adding a tail pipe and 2nd muffler.
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Originally Posted by stock48
Mesh is prob the problem but excessive back psi after turbine can also knock out thrust. I noticed this with my GT76 after adding a tail pipe and 2nd muffler.
Yeah i guess pressure in the turbine would rise if the gases have no where to go after the turbine, but that's why i have a 4" cutout dumbing through my front bumper...
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what oil are you using?
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what oil are you using?
10w-60 castrol synthetic
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