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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 09:55 PM
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I thought people were having widespread problems with the FIC 2000s clogging when using E85?
I think alot of those issues all depend on the quality of the e85 along with other factors like filtration and crud in the tank/fuel line. The clogged injectors are the down stream effect and as it is said '**** rolls down hill'.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 09:57 PM
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I think alot of those issues all depend on the quality of the e85 along with other factors like filtration and crud in the tank/fuel line. The clogged injectors are the down stream effect and as it is said '**** rolls down hill'.
dont forget.. if you let that stuff sit for any length of time, it gums up...
and a lot of people who use that injector, arent daily driving the car....
so as it sits, it clogs.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 09:58 PM
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Guys, check out the new low imp 160's from Standard Motor Products. Distributed by Racetronix for $580 and others. Accel and Holley prob selling the same ones. Not repurposed CNG injectors like the crapish Ford 160s. Good price for the size. Thats what Ill be using with Holley HP.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1NOVA
Guys, check out the new low imp 160's from Standard Motor Products. Distributed by Racetronix for $580 and others. Accel and Holley prob selling the same ones. Not repurposed CNG injectors like the crapish Ford 160s. Good price for the size. Thats what Ill be using with Holley HP.

holleys biggest injector is a 120...

and injectors are only good if they publish injector off time with the injector....
otherwise its a guess in the dark and tuning will be inconsistent.

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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
dont forget.. if you let that stuff sit for any length of time, it gums up...
and a lot of people who use that injector, arent daily driving the car....
so as it sits, it clogs.
I pulled my pumps and drained the tank recently along with pulling the filter. Gave it a good look and it's real clean. Even my socks were nice and clean. I've never had an issue with e85 sitting in my car and I've done it or a couple months at a time. (knock on wood). I know e85 pulls moisture from atmosphere if left for too long, but never an issue with gumming up anything.

Not to say it couldn't have an effect, but it just seems that issues with e85 are hit and miss and if anything I've always gotten my e85 from the same gas station (shell) and always test it.

I think all the issues around ethanol are purely situational.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1CANTU
Thanks guys for all y'all's input. I will look into the Holley 120's and also some 160's low impedance. If I can get a better deal on the 160's I'll go that rout.
I agree I just haven't seen any Holley 160's. I thought they where suppose to be making some but sound engineer just confirmed they don't.

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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
160's are enough for 1400 HP at the crank on e85 with some room to spare... but as long as you can get the pulsewidth small enough to have good idle characteristics, then there is no disadvantage to a bigger injector....
What do you think is the max a Holley 120 will put out on E85?
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What do you think is the max a Holley 120 will put out on E85?
people have seen right around 1000 rwhp with 120's on e85...but its usually 80%~90% Duty Cycle and starting with a base pressure of 58psi and around 20-24 lbs of boost give or take a few..
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
people have seen right around 1000 rwhp with 120's on e85...but its usually 80%~90% Duty Cycle and starting with a base pressure of 58psi and around 20-24 lbs of boost give or take a few..
That should be fine for my setup. I don't think ill see anything north of 800 on pump and 950 on e85
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 01:11 AM
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I'll be running race fuel C16 or maybe even Q16 so the 120's should be enough but I hate to have to change them again if I crank up the power over 1000RWHP.

How good is the fuel cell Nasty performance offers for our F-Bodies? I need to get me a aluminum tank so I can be able to run my fuel pump off the sump. What are y'all f body guys using? I want to keep my fuel gauge working properly. Anybody else offer tanks with sumps for f bodies?
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
holleys biggest injector is a 120...

and injectors are only good if they publish injector off time with the injector....
otherwise its a guess in the dark and tuning will be inconsistent.
Soundengineer,

I wanted to ask how important is this off time, and what the effects of incorrect off-time?

I considered getting the Holley injects. just b/c they have the data as you mentioned. But the Siemens 80's I have seem to idle nice - using the 60's data.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 07:25 AM
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i've been using the low impedance white top 160's on my car for over 3 years. They work great
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Originally Posted by 69-chvl
Soundengineer,

I wanted to ask how important is this off time, and what the effects of incorrect off-time?

I considered getting the Holley injects. just b/c they have the data as you mentioned. But the Siemens 80's I have seem to idle nice - using the 60's data.
Just because they have nice idle, doesnt means its correct...

what happens is typically if you you dont have good injector off time data, you get issues at various rpms....mostly idle is where most people see issues
and since the value gets skewed by different voltages...it can really make your whole tune swing...
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 11:05 AM
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Automagic are those the bosch 160s?What driver box are you running.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wicked z28
Automagic are those the bosch 160s?What driver box are you running.
Yes bosch white top 160's. I was using the acceleronics versafueler box untill I just upgraded to holley efi. My driverbox is for sale also. Check my posts
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 11:15 PM
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Thanks automagic, but I actually have an aem driver box and the whitetop 160s.just wondering if I should stick with them.
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hey if anybody reading this decides that want an 80 ish injector for their setup...
I'm going to sell my Holley low impedance 83's...
I just made a change in my setup that will make me need Holley low impedance 120's...


so I'll be selling my Holley Low impedance 83's for $370 Shipped
have about 20 passes on them...minimal street time(mostly driving to and from the track)
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Originally Posted by ls1CANTU
I'll be running race fuel C16 or maybe even Q16 so the 120's should be enough but I hate to have to change them again if I crank up the power over 1000RWHP.

How good is the fuel cell Nasty performance offers for our F-Bodies? I need to get me a aluminum tank so I can be able to run my fuel pump off the sump. What are y'all f body guys using? I want to keep my fuel gauge working properly. Anybody else offer tanks with sumps for f bodies?
These are a direct replacement to the factory tank. Fuel gauge will work properly and all. Sump for external pumps.. Give me a call help you with any questions and setting up the proper fuel system for your needs.
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bringing this back up as im also going to be running the dominator setup. Where is the best place you guys are getting the holley 120 low z injectors from?
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Old Jan 8, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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Do it once. Billet atomizer or Morans. They aretthe exact same injectors but billet atomizer are a few hundred cheaper. Just look them up on YouTube and you'llsee the difference of fuel atomization.
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