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Old May 29, 2014 | 04:02 PM
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Once we let the car cool off, we set the controller on 8 psi. It made and held 8psi for the next two pulls. Parked the car after that. So it will make more then spring pressure if the car is cool and we set the controller to do so.
Which is why I want to see logs. The only variable you have given us is operating temperature. And because you are not using a fixed pressure source (you said you are using manifold pressure (is it plumbed to the compressor?) I wonder how your issue relates to the feedback the manifold pressure is giving the EBC.
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Old May 29, 2014 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Phish806
Correct, all that's changing as far as I know is time and temperature.

I am getting my manifold pressure to the boost controller/WG from the Intake manifold right behind the TB.
Can you route the pressure source to the turbo compressor instead of the manifold for a cleaner read?
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Old May 29, 2014 | 05:29 PM
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Although not that it helps..

It's an excellent diagram, but one bloody weird way to plumb boost control.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 07:09 AM
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I worked on the Wife's project last night so I didn't have any time to diagnose mine. I did take it out for a drive though before pulling it back into the garage.

I left the boost controller on 8 lbs. Drove it around randomly getting into boost. Always hit 8 lbs. I drove it around long enough I thought it wasn't going to have an issue. Then, on the way home, I rolled into it one last time and it only made 4 lbs. Again, nothing changed this trip. Just cruised around for about 15 min. before the issue started again.

I think I am going to throw a manual controller on it tonight and rock it that way for a bit. Assuming the manual controller fixes the issue. I should actually get some time to work on it tonight.

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Old May 30, 2014 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Phish806
I worked on the Wife's project last night so I didn't have any time to diagnose mine. I did take it out for a drive though before pulling it back into the garage.

I left the boost controller on 8 lbs. Drove it around randomly getting into boost. Always hit 8 lbs. I drove it around long enough I thought it wasn't going to have an issue. Then, on the way home, I rolled into it one last time and it only made 4 lbs. Again, nothing changed this trip. Just cruised around for about 15 min. before the issue started again.

I think I am going to throw a manual controller on it tonight and rock it that way for a bit. Assuming the manual controller fixes the issue. I should actually get some time to work on it tonight.

Vid: http://s232.photobucket.com/user/Phi...069d6.mp4.html
Did you try hitting the + button to add 1 psi then - 1 psi then get on it to see if it would target 8psi again?
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Old May 30, 2014 | 09:12 AM
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I totally forgot about you sayng that. I remembered this morning when I was typing out what happened yesterday. Really wish I would have remembered though.

You said yours did the same thing though? Wouldn't allow your setup to build boost?
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Originally Posted by Phish806
I totally forgot about you sayng that. I remembered this morning when I was typing out what happened yesterday. Really wish I would have remembered though.

You said yours did the same thing though? Wouldn't allow your setup to build boost?
correct, it would target boost a couple times and then it fell to very low boost... I would adjust like I said and it would be fine for 1 more pull, then back to low boost again.

Just to eliminate all factors, my launch and every stage was set to 10psi to diagnose... same ****, would make 3 psi, adjust, made 10 psi for one pull then back to 3psi. Drove me nuts. I tried putting C02 on it and still had issues

How are you activating the controller? When you turn the car on, the boost controller turns on, how to you initiate the launch mode that leads into the stages?
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Old May 30, 2014 | 10:37 AM
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I have it setup to come on with ignition. The launch mode is tied into the Trans Brake. I to did as you said and had set all of the stages and launch mode to the same PSI for testing purposes.

it sucks because it seems to work well - when it works ...

Did you ever track down what the issue was? Controller box itself? selenoids? boost leak?

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Old May 30, 2014 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Phish806
I have it setup to come on with ignition. The launch mode is tied into the Trans Brake. I to did as you said and had set all of the stages and launch mode to the same PSI for testing purposes.

it sucks because it seems to work well - when it works ...

Did you ever track down what the issue was? Controller box itself? selenoids? boost leak?
agreed. I had mine working great on my twin setup last year... This year with the single I have had nothing but problems with it. We are going to put it on a lower HP car and see if we can get it to work there, leave it on that car. I ended up installing a pulse/boost leash. We have plenty of local guys using the Leashes with zero complaints.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 11:08 AM
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Yeah a friend of mine is selling a brand new leash. I just told myself I was done spending money on this car from this winter build. A friend of mine has two other Innovative controllers just sitting in his shop. I was thinking about swapping out the actual controller box itself and seeing if that made a difference.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 12:00 PM
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What boost controller is it. Does it have an over boost setting on it? My eboost had that and I forgot to set it for at least the wastegate spring pressure and it had a hard time making the boost. It would do it but the engine had to be loaded up hard on the mustang dyno. I found it out on the street. Would only build 5 lbs. It's default was 7 lbs. (Overboost )Once it sensed overboost it would dump the wastegates and cut the boost in half.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 12:18 PM
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Although after 2 pages...

Other than a 2psi discrepancy at times...does the controller actually work ?

I presume you actually run more than 6psi boost ?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Although after 2 pages...

Other than a 2psi discrepancy at times...does the controller actually work ?

I presume you actually run more than 6psi boost ?
I left the boost controller on 8 lbs. Drove it around randomly getting into boost. Always hit 8 lbs. I drove it around long enough I thought it wasn't going to have an issue. Then, on the way home, I rolled into it one last time and it only made 4 lbs. Again, nothing changed this trip. Just cruised around for about 15 min. before the issue started again.
id say sometimes lol
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Old May 30, 2014 | 12:37 PM
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Most I have ran the car on is 8 lbs. it works on 8lbs and holds 8lbs fine. Untill the car gets hot / or around 15 min have passed.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 02:03 PM
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And where are you measuring boost ?

The fact it drops below spring makes no sense. That would imply the valve is not sealing. But really..2psi is **** all.

Not right, but still **** all.

Either you have a sticking valve in the gate, or one of the solenoids isnt working, or a bit of both.

But as said, why on earth they are using 2 solenoids on a single chamber for a 1 solenoid job is baffling.
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 09:51 AM
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I had a friend with a couple of the innovative controll boxes sitting on a shelf in his shop. I borrowed one and swapped it out with mine and re installed the EBC. Drove around and the boost controller worked flawlessly... untill after about 15 mintues. The car again only made four pounds of boost.

This tells me the main controller is not the issue. The only thing left really is the selenoids - or the map sensor that the EBC runs off of.

I bench checked the selenoids. They click but the plunger moves ever so slightly in both. I am curious if once they get warm they are having issues. Next step to to try and borrow a set of selenoids and see if that fixes the issue with the EBC.

--- hooked the manual controller back up after my testing - all worked well with it installed.
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 11:19 AM
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map sensor should be easy to test.

Apply pressure and see if it works. I assume the controller displays pressure ?
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 11:38 AM
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Yeah controller displays pressure. And when the boost controller does work it always matches the gauge. I would assume its right. I will check it next time i am out in the garage

However i did just come back in from the garaage. I reinstalled the EBC but moved the noids inside the cabin. I guess i will know if underhood heat is the issue when i get a chace to test it out. If its not a heat issue then i have no clue what it could be... It shoudlnt be anything time based
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