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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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Thinking about changing the cam in the car to see of i can get a little more power out the set up.


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APR main stud kit
APR head stud kit
Brian Tooley Lifters
ls2 lifter trays
C5R timing chain
Trick performance cam retainer plate for using LS2 timing chain tensioner
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4.005 bore Wiseco -20 pistons
4.00 stroke Eagle crank and rods, with armor coating.
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heads were decked for flatness
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92LB injectors at 3 bar.
Lonnies double intake fuel system with billet fuel rails

APS with LGmotorsports turbos
LG motor sports upgraded turbos
New CHRA (Center Housing Rotating Assembly)
New Inconel 71x Turbine Wheel with new 2009 technology
Billet Compressor Wheel ( ~ 60mm inducer) that flows ~ 70lb/min
New Compressor Cover machined for new Compressor Wheel
70mm Inlet

Cam in the car was spec for a 4.8 motor.
Cam spects are
226/237 115.5+6 605/610

Thinking about switching it out to a speed inc TU1.0 or TU1.5
its a street car 2005 GTO full car. 4000lbs

car is making good power now. Just looking to turn the boost up and find a cam that will work better.

When I got this set up tuned power didn't pick up pass 14lbs.
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 07:37 PM
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Most shelf cams are designed for single turbo combos. Call around to shops and find something you think fits your needs. I would recommend LJMS, lil john Motorsport solutions
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 09:03 AM
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have a 402 going together with twin 7668s

using a JFR 224/224 112
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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Think it's going to be the TU1 225/225
From what I've been finding twin turbo's seem to like the straight up duration cams
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:13 PM
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Give Martin a call at tick. He does a lot of turbo cams and has a lot of knowledge about the whole cam situation.
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Old Sep 8, 2014 | 08:52 AM
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Twin turbo motors usually like camshafts that look alot like a blower cam.. Normally they can handle a bigger split and more overlap due to the additional turbine... but in this case with those APS units... the turbines are a little undersized for the size of the motor. That being said I think I would be 230/239 117+4 on something like this. This spec put 900 to the ground with an APS kit on a Corvette a couple years back.

Was the car tuned on a chassis dyno??
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Old Sep 8, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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Right now the cam in the car has a large split in it. I think I'm getting to much pressure coming out the exhaust.
The car has duel 3in exhaust and straight threw mufflers.
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Old Sep 8, 2014 | 02:20 PM
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Your current cam has .5 degrees of overlap at .050

a TU1.5 has 4.....

If you have a backpressure issue now... changing over to a camshaft with MORE overlap... is only going to make the problem worse.
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Old Sep 8, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LilJohn
Your current cam has .5 degrees of overlap at .050

a TU1.5 has 4.....

If you have a backpressure issue now... changing over to a camshaft with MORE overlap... is only going to make the problem worse.
Good to know.

Going to give you a call tomorrow.
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Old Sep 10, 2014 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LilJohn
Your current cam has .5 degrees of overlap at .050

a TU1.5 has 4.....

If you have a backpressure issue now... changing over to a camshaft with MORE overlap... is only going to make the problem worse.
So you think that combo should be running negative overlap?

While I wouldn't say there are huge gains in store with a cam swap, reducing overlap at this point will reduce power.
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Old Sep 10, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by INTMD8
So you think that combo should be running negative overlap?

While I wouldn't say there are huge gains in store with a cam swap, reducing overlap at this point will reduce power.
How do you think the TU1.0 would work in this set up?
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Old Sep 10, 2014 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by INTMD8
So you think that combo should be running negative overlap?

While I wouldn't say there are huge gains in store with a cam swap, reducing overlap at this point will reduce power.

Maybe it would Maybe it wouldnt.... With turbines that small and THAT many cubic inches its hard to not be in an excessive backpressure situtation.

But I can tell you this.... 231/239 118+2 made 940+ to the tires in basically the same combination and was still picking up power above 14 psi where his is not and it had -1 degree of overlap.

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So my question still is
Who has a cam that would work good in this set up?
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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LilJohn

But I can tell you this.... 231/239 118+2 made 940+ to the tires in basically the same combination and was still picking up power above 14 psi where his is not and it had -1 degree of overlap.
I'm sure it would. His lack of power gain after 14psi is likely not due to the cam.
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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1fastxz
How do you think the TU1.0 would work in this set up?
It would work good but so should your current cam.

If it's not picking anything up after 14psi I would look at valvesprings or see if the induction leading to the turbo inlets is collapsing.
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