methanol with e85 non intercooled
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I run Meth, e85 and a IC. I know its over kill but we are seeing more inconsistancy lately w e up here in MN.
Senario 1: e95 has been found latley. car is tuned for 12.0 e85. e95 will make the car go leaner quite a bit. Adding the meth adds about .5 pt AF after my car was tuned at 12.0
Senario 2: Car is also tuned down to e70. E60 has been founds also. Now Ill notice right away the the car going 11.0 when e70 but have not accounted for e60. Timing is safe pre meth at e70. Now w the meth it keeps my octane up as well.
For me the extra 350 bucks and gas station washer fluid is well worth it IMHO.
Currently my build is been together for 4 years at 8xx and driven every week multiple times.
Senario 1: e95 has been found latley. car is tuned for 12.0 e85. e95 will make the car go leaner quite a bit. Adding the meth adds about .5 pt AF after my car was tuned at 12.0
Senario 2: Car is also tuned down to e70. E60 has been founds also. Now Ill notice right away the the car going 11.0 when e70 but have not accounted for e60. Timing is safe pre meth at e70. Now w the meth it keeps my octane up as well.
For me the extra 350 bucks and gas station washer fluid is well worth it IMHO.
Currently my build is been together for 4 years at 8xx and driven every week multiple times.
This is where we will agree to disagree. The dude is not running high boost, he is not running a hard setup, he is running a VERY good fuel keeping him safe.
I do not agree that adding meth injection will give him any significant or any at all increase in power or safety over his current setup.
I am open to be proved wrong. OP feel free to do this and show me. Or anyone else with a similar low boosted setup already on e85 and add meth injection on the same timing and boost level and show me dyno charts. My guess is you won't find much or any evidence of this because e85 is already doing everything needed that meth won't improve. You can show me how meth cools and keeps safe all day long. It's not needed. I believe in meth injection (I use it in my car). But I will need to see dyno'd evidence for you to prove my theory wrong.
I do not agree that adding meth injection will give him any significant or any at all increase in power or safety over his current setup.
I am open to be proved wrong. OP feel free to do this and show me. Or anyone else with a similar low boosted setup already on e85 and add meth injection on the same timing and boost level and show me dyno charts. My guess is you won't find much or any evidence of this because e85 is already doing everything needed that meth won't improve. You can show me how meth cools and keeps safe all day long. It's not needed. I believe in meth injection (I use it in my car). But I will need to see dyno'd evidence for you to prove my theory wrong.
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I am totally cool with admitting I am wrong. Right after you show me dyno proof that you are right? Don't have any? I'm okay with you finding anyone out there showing dyno results? No? Still don't see any? Hmmm... Wonder why?
The **** you talking about
Where did I say it offered significant power?
I said the car doesn't slow down. I'd send you vbox files but you couldn't grasp how to use them
The car doesn't slow down with the water.... Backed with data.... And the tuning window is huge compared to no water.... Also data posted.
Are u seriously this slow?
Where is your ride? Where are your numbers and data?
Ya durp
Where did I say it offered significant power?
I said the car doesn't slow down. I'd send you vbox files but you couldn't grasp how to use them
The car doesn't slow down with the water.... Backed with data.... And the tuning window is huge compared to no water.... Also data posted.
Are u seriously this slow?
Where is your ride? Where are your numbers and data?
Ya durp
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The point is running meth/water on top WILL pick up power every time. Regardless of the base fuel used. It's not solely to prevent detonation or add octane. Water alone has many benefits to combustion. Back to back runs at the same boost level will make more power with water/meth. Been proven a million times. Especially on a hot air car... even at 10lbs.
Exactly please post where I said would make sooooo much more power?
Please provide track times.
Don't worry when I get home I'll have data up Ur *** her
I have already provided data. U have provide zero
Please provide track times.
Don't worry when I get home I'll have data up Ur *** her
I have already provided data. U have provide zero
I am on the same page as forcefed.
I am intercooled with an efficient system. My water isn't there for power. It is the for the tuning window
For you to say there is no benefit to Injection on a non Intercooled setup or power to be had. You are on damn crack
Where is the data??
I am intercooled with an efficient system. My water isn't there for power. It is the for the tuning window
For you to say there is no benefit to Injection on a non Intercooled setup or power to be had. You are on damn crack
Where is the data??
rotory1307, you are what's wrong with this place. Above is what I was talking about. Seemed you two were on the same page. If you are not agreeing with him that it WILL pick up power, then perhaps you are not far off from what I am getting across anyways. But "this place" gets all wrong when you seem to take offense on someone else's experience. Do you know me? Do you know what my car is? Have you seen the things I have with builds on the same exact lines as what we are talking about? Made the track runs, car builds, dyno runs that I did? Nope. But you like to think you do it seems.
This is easily seen by the guys that install an aux inj kit on a 100% factory car with zero tune changes and notice an increase in power. I've even seen some pick up a full pound of boost because it makes the turbo system that much more efficient. Again that's with zero tune changes, no WG/boost control adjustments.
A 50/50 blend will:
Cool the aircharge
Aid in the combustion process.
Cool the CC allowing more ign lead.
Keep the engine free of deposits.
Three of those things will contribute to power production. I'm not claiming you'll pick up 100 hp... but there are gains to be had if used properly and zero drawbacks. (aside from $).
Last edited by Forcefed86; Aug 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM.
Here is water vs no water... Can you tell which is which?
Identical.... Other than the chamber with water isn't nearly as warm. The plugs pictured up above are from these two runs.
Street tires, why 100 on and the crazy boost ramp
Identical.... Other than the chamber with water isn't nearly as warm. The plugs pictured up above are from these two runs.
Street tires, why 100 on and the crazy boost ramp
Exactly… Though you’re crazy efficient turbo system isn’t common place.
Do that same test on a factory turbo charged engine with an inefficient baby turbo and It will pick up power. Same goes for a hot air car.
Do that same test on a factory turbo charged engine with an inefficient baby turbo and It will pick up power. Same goes for a hot air car.
Oh I agree completely
I was just showing him water doesn't slow down on the same tuneup
I certainly would pick up a ton if I took the water spakr plug to the level the non water plug was with timing and not even touching boost.
I just like it safe, and you can see perfectly in my plug pics what the difference in the chamber is like. It is crazy
I was just showing him water doesn't slow down on the same tuneup
I certainly would pick up a ton if I took the water spakr plug to the level the non water plug was with timing and not even touching boost.
I just like it safe, and you can see perfectly in my plug pics what the difference in the chamber is like. It is crazy
But there is no reason to do that. I can keep adding boost and a ton of power while keeping the cylinder cool and timing not crazy. I have yet to ever push water, heck I cracked the iron block and the HG was still intact 100%
Great info! Trying to pick out my kit now. Looking at a Snow performance kit. The stage 2 kit has a progressive controller. Anyone use these? Are these better than just turning on kit at specific boost?
Progressive is the way to go if you're injecting alot of volume. 12gph or so of 50/50 or less on a "v8" and a boost switch is usually fine IMO. I've had great luck with the devils own and AEM kits. Never used a snow.