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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 09:27 AM
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The twins had instant spool, but fell off fast. I believe the exhaust housing were too small .58's. There's another member on here with the same turbos I had (turbonetics 61-65's) on a 370 w/ 317's and a 6-speed that made over 900 whp with them. I'm not too sure why they made good power on his combo and not on mine.

The big single pulls hard once it gets going, but because of my converter (PTC) it's hard to get it going. From what I've read the converter is hard to get right with the 4L80's and retain the lock up feature. I also swapped out the cam (which I think helped a lot too).

If I were to go back with twins, they would be larger (at least on the exhaust side).

I like your sig about PTC, so true.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 06:23 PM
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Don't make the mistake of thinking smaller is better in this regard.

It is entirely dependent on how much flow you can have at what pressure ratio at what RPM.

Here's the thing, on a stock 6.0, yeah a set of twin 57/58mm comps would do fine if say limited to 5,500RPM. But throw in a bigger cam & rev to 6500 & those turbos could start blowing hot air at 80lb/min. That doesn't leave a lot of headroom for growth later, but it's up to the end user.
typically in a twin turbo setup, the turbos vary in size but I see some people running two identical turbos. For the LS1 is there an "ideal" between the two?
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 06:31 PM
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They typically only vary in size on a sequential setup, not typically on a twin turbo setup.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:05 PM
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Yeah hey, unless they are sequencial they are almost always the same size.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:51 PM
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The twins had instant spool, but fell off fast. I believe the exhaust housing were too small .58's. There's another member on here with the same turbos I had (turbonetics 61-65's) on a 370 w/ 317's and a 6-speed that made over 900 whp with them. I'm not too sure why they made good power on his combo and not on mine.

The big single pulls hard once it gets going, but because of my converter (PTC) it's hard to get it going. From what I've read the converter is hard to get right with the 4L80's and retain the lock up feature. I also swapped out the cam (which I think helped a lot too).

If I were to go back with twins, they would be larger (at least on the exhaust side).

I like your sig about PTC, so true.

Thanks 408!
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:25 PM
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408GT Im on the northwest side near zebulon/bass.. From what I've seen on ebay I might as well throw on a pair of on3 76mm and just have a boost controller and modify then engine along and along for more boost.. A lot of guys seem to be using the on3 turbos and for 320 bucks instead of a china turbo for 200-250 I think it'd be worth it. I want the car to pull through 6500 rpms without maxing out the turbos or blowing hot.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:26 PM
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Im about to throw a chunk at a converter.. just trying to figure my whole setup so I get the best stall before a pull the trigger.. thinking circle d 3200-3400 stall?
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 07:08 AM
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I went with that same Circle D converter. Works well for my single. With twins I would want something a little tighter.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 07:12 AM
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Oh ok. I'm not too far from you then.

I was told to turn mine hard from the previous cam grinder I had, but on SBE stuff I think it's best to keep the rpm low. I would talk to JFR (Stock48) about a cam, and maybe call Viren at VS racing to ask him about turbo selections.

I would go with Circle D or Yank if it's a 4L80e. Might want to get the triple disc so you can lock it under boost.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 02:32 PM
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Joe Nova what do you mean by tighter? Lower rpm stall? Sorry for all the dumb questions..

408GT Nice! What track do you usually go to? Yeah its a 4l80e.. Ive gone a ton of different directions with this build since I'm learning a ton in the process.. but I'm going back to the ly6/4l80e harness and Im wondering how I'm going to incorporate the TCU into my 95 camaro.. Ive built a standalone DBC harness for it and had the DBC throttle body to convert it but long story short I'm going back to the original harness with DBW..
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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 06:53 AM
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I go to Reynolds/Silver Dollar and I hear Floyd bought Twiggs, so that should be opening back up. Hit me up if you need any help.
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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 08:05 PM
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Alright man thanks!
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by md93
Joe Nova what do you mean by tighter? Lower rpm stall? Sorry for all the dumb questions..

408GT Nice! What track do you usually go to? Yeah its a 4l80e.. Ive gone a ton of different directions with this build since I'm learning a ton in the process.. but I'm going back to the ly6/4l80e harness and Im wondering how I'm going to incorporate the TCU into my 95 camaro.. Ive built a standalone DBC harness for it and had the DBC throttle body to convert it but long story short I'm going back to the original harness with DBW..
Yes, lower RPM. My converter flashes to 3200 RPM when I stab the throttle. Just just about the RPM where my car starts to build boost, so it builds boost more quickly. The trade-off is street manners. A loose converter can feel pretty lazy driving around on low throttle.

If your turbos spool faster than that, then go for a converter that is better matched to them. For a street car, it's usually best to get the lowest stall that still puts you above the boost threshold RPM. Gives a good balance between manners and performance.
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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A single 7475 precision on pump did 600whp on my 5.3 through the auto, unlocked on 28" drag radials
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 04:03 PM
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Man thats awesome. What size hot/cold piping are you running? Im thinking cheap ebay twins or a single on3 t76.. If I can come up with the money ill do two on3s Ill just have to see.
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 04:51 PM
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Tony Reiners used two of these on a 351-W and went low 9's: http://www.speedyracer.com/GT45-HUGE...5-V-Band-1-05-
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 06:34 PM
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Joe Nova thanks for the info that makes sense.. So would my best bet be to try to get my motor running with the turbos before I purchase the converter? Or just research some guys with the same setup and see about where their turbos start to produce boost? I know theres more to take into account than just that I know id have to look at other upgrades.. Ill have the ls3 intake and ls9 cam and thats it for now so Ill try to figure out when twin t76s with close to that setup start to produce boost?
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 06:35 PM
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408GT looks like thats my new plan! haha
Those would probably spool pretty dang quick
Siemens Deka 80# injectors my best bet?
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Man thats awesome. What size hot/cold piping are you running? Im thinking cheap ebay twins or a single on3 t76.. If I can come up with the money ill do two on3s Ill just have to see.
my crossover is too big. 2.5", huron speed cold side kit, walbro 450, 80#ers.

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Just went PT88 dual pumps and 1000cc injectors and bigger cam, waiting to finish it up
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Originally Posted by md93
Joe Nova thanks for the info that makes sense.. So would my best bet be to try to get my motor running with the turbos before I purchase the converter? Or just research some guys with the same setup and see about where their turbos start to produce boost? I know theres more to take into account than just that I know id have to look at other upgrades.. Ill have the ls3 intake and ls9 cam and thats it for now so Ill try to figure out when twin t76s with close to that setup start to produce boost?
To get the converter, you just need to call the manufacturer you choose and be completely honest with them about your setup i.e. hp goals, turbo size(s), how much boost, cam specs, trans/gear setup, etc. Then they will select what stall you need.

80#'s would be fine on the injectors.
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