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Old Mar 18, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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Well guys i ordered my scavenge pump. Ebay special. well see how it goes.

anyways. What im wondering is where should i mount the thing. Also ive been reading people saying put check valves here and there and everywhere else so oil doesnt back up in the turbo and what not.

tell me if this will work

Get pump mounted lower than turbo if i can. (cx racing hot side mounts low)
run return from pump to valve cover.
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in my head that should work. any oil left in the turbo should drain in to the pump when not running and keep the pump kinda primed. plus running the return to the valve cover should yield me the vented "sump" idea correct? since the covers are vented to atmosphere anyways.

now what if i cant get the pump lower than the turbo? do i need some sort of tiny sump box that can collect left over oil or should i run a delay time for 20 seconds or so?

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how come no body wants to teach me? :C
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Also curious about this.
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On my friends Rear mount GTO the oil feed went from the factory oil cooler adapter straight to the turbo like this.


As for the return/drain. The drain went into the scavenge pump. Then the scavenge pump routed into the pcv nipple of the left valve cover. In the pic below its named BLANK.



But as a word of caution always check your turbo. Just cause the pump makes noise doesn't mean it's doing the job. His didn't, which caused the turbo to seap oil. A turbo rebuild was the end result. Scavenge pumps work but they require constant supervision. On his setup the turbo was about 1inch higher.

Ps I don't own those pics
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Originally Posted by dt23400
how come no body wants to teach me? :C
Maybe because such questions have been asked hundreds of times before and a few minutes searching would tell you everything you needed to know.

But mounting positions etc will vary from pump to pump...and probably be more critical the cheaper and more fragile the pump will be.

You're already aware of the reasons for check valves but seem to ignore them ?

And running a low pump and high level return....when you shut down, all the oil in that line will run backwards into pump and turbo saturating the turbo and probably leaking into compressor and turbine sides.

The very reason check valves can be necessary.
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I'm not new to forums. I have searched. Hence how I knew what I knew. But I'm not ignoring the use of check valves just unsure of where they go. Thanks for your insight tho.
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I am new to turbos as well. But without researching this, the check valve should go between the scavenge pump and the engine. This keeps the oil from backing up towards the pump or turbo when shut down. If the turbo is higher than the engine it will never get oil backing up into it. Its all dependent on the location of all the parts. The pump should be below the turbo so its able to self prime. Most pumps like to push fluid and not pull it. Same reason that external fuel pumps should be mounted below the tank or cell.
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Originally Posted by Taxman20
I am new to turbos as well. But without researching this, the check valve should go between the scavenge pump and the engine. This keeps the oil from backing up towards the pump or turbo when shut down. If the turbo is higher than the engine it will never get oil backing up into it. Its all dependent on the location of all the parts. The pump should be below the turbo so its able to self prime. Most pumps like to push fluid and not pull it. Same reason that external fuel pumps should be mounted below the tank or cell.

Thank you
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Originally Posted by Taxman20
I am new to turbos as well. But without researching this, the check valve should go between the scavenge pump and the engine. This keeps the oil from backing up towards the pump or turbo when shut down. If the turbo is higher than the engine it will never get oil backing up into it. Its all dependent on the location of all the parts. The pump should be below the turbo so its able to self prime. Most pumps like to push fluid and not pull it. Same reason that external fuel pumps should be mounted below the tank or cell.
Check valve should go anywhere needed where oil has the potential to gravity drain into the turbo.

A good scavenge pump like the Exa will self prime at almost any height, such pumps are very different design than most efi style fuel pumps which must be gravity fed.

But very much yes, almost all pumps prefer to push rather than pull, so if you can mount it low it is better. But by no means essential with the right parts.
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