help me pick!!! 364 vs 408 procharged
If I go stroker I just as well go big or go home
Well I had a 347 with a D1, and now have a 416 with an F1A, and although I'm not pushing my current setup, I gained a solid 100ft/lb of torque throughout the entire rpm range.
With the 347, I had 3.73 gears at first, but went back down to 3.42s, and still felt like I had enough low end torque. Maybe it was my top end package, I don't know, but now it's even better. I rarely ever find myself 'needing' to downshift, even if I'm cruising in 4th at 2000rpm, it has plenty of torque, especially on the street.
Here's a comparison of the two setups:
The blue line is the 416/f1a, and yes, at 4000rpm, the torque goes flat because the tires actually spun on the dyno, then hooked back up by 5200.
My point is, the 6L is going to be plenty of fun, especially with the 3.73s.
With the 347, I had 3.73 gears at first, but went back down to 3.42s, and still felt like I had enough low end torque. Maybe it was my top end package, I don't know, but now it's even better. I rarely ever find myself 'needing' to downshift, even if I'm cruising in 4th at 2000rpm, it has plenty of torque, especially on the street.
Here's a comparison of the two setups:
The blue line is the 416/f1a, and yes, at 4000rpm, the torque goes flat because the tires actually spun on the dyno, then hooked back up by 5200.
My point is, the 6L is going to be plenty of fun, especially with the 3.73s.
Well I had a 347 with a D1, and now have a 416 with an F1A, and although I'm not pushing my current setup, I gained a solid 100ft/lb of torque throughout the entire rpm range.
With the 347, I had 3.73 gears at first, but went back down to 3.42s, and still felt like I had enough low end torque. Maybe it was my top end package, I don't know, but now it's even better. I rarely ever find myself 'needing' to downshift, even if I'm cruising in 4th at 2000rpm, it has plenty of torque, especially on the street.
Here's a comparison of the two setups:
The blue line is the 416/f1a, and yes, at 4000rpm, the torque goes flat because the tires actually spun on the dyno, then hooked back up by 5200.
My point is, the 6L is going to be plenty of fun, especially with the 3.73s.
With the 347, I had 3.73 gears at first, but went back down to 3.42s, and still felt like I had enough low end torque. Maybe it was my top end package, I don't know, but now it's even better. I rarely ever find myself 'needing' to downshift, even if I'm cruising in 4th at 2000rpm, it has plenty of torque, especially on the street.
Here's a comparison of the two setups:
The blue line is the 416/f1a, and yes, at 4000rpm, the torque goes flat because the tires actually spun on the dyno, then hooked back up by 5200.
My point is, the 6L is going to be plenty of fun, especially with the 3.73s.
On top of the motor is a set of MAST heads, cleaned up and worked locally, as well as a MSD intake manifold.
Well, my forged Scat rods I guess didn't like the 760rwhp, and they bent, and ended up snapping one cruising home from LS FEST 2 years ago.... it was 1:30 in the morning, 4 hours from home.
On top of the motor is a set of MAST heads, cleaned up and worked locally, as well as a MSD intake manifold.
On top of the motor is a set of MAST heads, cleaned up and worked locally, as well as a MSD intake manifold.
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Probably better than you'd think. I know it's not 100% comparable to what you're trying to do, but Lil John did a test on a Procharged setup that had TFS LS7 style heads I believe and switched them out for TFS 245cc cathedral port heads, and the combination picked up something like 100rwhp.
How much power are you wanting to make? We did 800rwhp/700ft lbs in a cam only LS2 w/ a D1 on E85 in a 05 Vette M6. It was making 750 at 5800 rpm on pump gas but we dropped the boost some and tuned it on E85(flex fuel mod)
I put a pencil to this and here is where I'm at with using a 416 from tms:
Procharger kit used: $4,000
TMS 416 LS3: $4,500
lonnies double pumper kit: $1625
FIC 80# injectors: $599
ls7 head gaskets: $60
ati balancer: $409
oil pump: $150
head studs: $300
Martin smallwood Cam from cam motion: $500
LS7 lifters $100
Boost gauge $200
A/F gauge $200
Kooks 1 7/8 headers $979
Kooks true duals $1765
meth kit: $800
Tune $500
TOTAL:::::::::::: $16,687 roughly. OUCH
The thing is by the time a guy figured up a good set of rods and pistons for the current 6.0 I'm not sure if a guy will save anymore than $1,000-$1,500, and give up at least 100hp.
Procharger kit used: $4,000
TMS 416 LS3: $4,500
lonnies double pumper kit: $1625
FIC 80# injectors: $599
ls7 head gaskets: $60
ati balancer: $409
oil pump: $150
head studs: $300
Martin smallwood Cam from cam motion: $500
LS7 lifters $100
Boost gauge $200
A/F gauge $200
Kooks 1 7/8 headers $979
Kooks true duals $1765
meth kit: $800
Tune $500
TOTAL:::::::::::: $16,687 roughly. OUCH
The thing is by the time a guy figured up a good set of rods and pistons for the current 6.0 I'm not sure if a guy will save anymore than $1,000-$1,500, and give up at least 100hp.
We have 94 octane at Sunoco station's here in Indiana too, we're lucky to have it available to us. Bob
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It does, but keep in mind it won't be able to make as much boost up top as an F-1A will. Bob
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I put a pencil to this and here is where I'm at with using a 416 from tms:
Procharger kit used: $4,000
TMS 416 LS3: $4,500
lonnies double pumper kit: $1625
FIC 80# injectors: $599
ls7 head gaskets: $60
ati balancer: $409
oil pump: $150
head studs: $300
Martin smallwood Cam from cam motion: $500
LS7 lifters $100
Boost gauge $200
A/F gauge $200
Kooks 1 7/8 headers $979
Kooks true duals $1765
meth kit: $800
Tune $500
TOTAL:::::::::::: $16,687 roughly. OUCH
The thing is by the time a guy figured up a good set of rods and pistons for the current 6.0 I'm not sure if a guy will save anymore than $1,000-$1,500, and give up at least 100hp.
Procharger kit used: $4,000
TMS 416 LS3: $4,500
lonnies double pumper kit: $1625
FIC 80# injectors: $599
ls7 head gaskets: $60
ati balancer: $409
oil pump: $150
head studs: $300
Martin smallwood Cam from cam motion: $500
LS7 lifters $100
Boost gauge $200
A/F gauge $200
Kooks 1 7/8 headers $979
Kooks true duals $1765
meth kit: $800
Tune $500
TOTAL:::::::::::: $16,687 roughly. OUCH
The thing is by the time a guy figured up a good set of rods and pistons for the current 6.0 I'm not sure if a guy will save anymore than $1,000-$1,500, and give up at least 100hp.
I know we have been emailing back and fourth, I have only quoted the short at this time. We can likely help you with lowering the overall cost here, Give me a shout and we can go over potential areas that we can save you some money.
Thank you,
Kyle
972-853-2450
