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Old Jul 13, 2018 | 12:43 PM
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Doing some upgrades to my street car. And converting to E85. It has DEKA 80# inj AT WHAT HP DO THEY TOP OUT? Thanks
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Depends on flywheel or wheel HP, fuel pressure, etc.
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Fuel is 2 WB 450 pumps 10 an mane y to 8am each rail ARO 13101 reg 8an return
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Old Jul 13, 2018 | 12:50 PM
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Depending on fuel pressure, about 700 at the wheels.
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Plan on taking it to vengeance to get a Dino tune so referring to wheel hp. I know I could push the limits on my part with pump gas and meth (I have a kit) just don't want to leave I live on the table with topped out injectors because I swapped to e85
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Old Jul 13, 2018 | 01:47 PM
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assuming your converter can hold it, yes the injectors will be the limiting factor
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Old Jul 13, 2018 | 11:07 PM
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I believe E50 has the same anti detonation properties as E85 and won't max out the injector duty cycle as much.
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my buddys camaro has ran 9.17 @147 with deka 80s on e85 . 50 psi base 1 to 1 rise at 23 psi boost. 3500 lbs with driver.
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Yenkomike and others, can you detail the rest of the fuel system to help clarify how well the injectors are being fed? Yenkomike, I forget is the Camaro a 6.0 or 5.3?
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Jarrett was running mid 8s back when he had the SBE record and was on E85 with a single magnafuel pump and 80 lb injectors. 70 PSI base fuel pressure and over 20 PSI of boost.
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yes it is a 2005 5.3 with triple 12 cam. fuel system is a black eliminator pump and -8 line to a holley reg. with boost reference. return style . feeding a stock single feed fuel rail from a 2005 sierra deadheaded. 50 psi base engine off. runs up to 6700 rpm.
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
assuming your converter can hold it, yes the injectors will be the limiting factor
FTI said it will hold I am hoping I found some 120# so I am swapping them out just in case
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Thanks for all the input guys
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Originally Posted by yenkomike
my buddys camaro has ran 9.17 @147 with deka 80s on e85 . 50 psi base 1 to 1 rise at 23 psi boost. 3500 lbs with driver.
Any idea what the duty cycle was? Has to be in the 120's I would think.
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Skinnies made 855 at the wheels with 80's on a mustang dyno. Just under 100psi total FP at 24lbs. 3 255 pumps.
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I see people running high base pressure to make power with smaller injectors. I’m planning to run lower base (43.5 ish) with larger injectors on the fuel system I’m installing now.

On a street car is there a benefit to either approach or does it really make no difference as long as the AFR requirements are met?
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For a given AFR, higher fuel pressure will run better. Better fuel atomization. Injector flow gets sloppy at low pressure and you get more of a squirt/leak than a spray/mist.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
For a given AFR, higher fuel pressure will run better. Better fuel atomization. Injector flow gets sloppy at low pressure and you get more of a squirt/leak than a spray/mist.
So idling around the high fuel pressure doesn’t create issues? Several injectors rate their flow rates at 43.5 so surely they perform well at that pressure?
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Catch 22 kinda thing IMO. I believe GM went up to 58psi from the standard 43 to improve spray patterns and fuel delivery in general. So going lower on the pressure will hurt you there in theory.

Though with the “pencil” spray pattern injectors I don’t really see it being a big issue. They have crap for a spray pattern anyway. 80lb, 160lb, 220lb etc.... They look like a squirt gun at any pressure.

Higher pressures affect the speed an injector opens and closes for sure. How much will depend on a ton of variables. Idle and cruise will be the most affected. A 2:1 rising rate regulator or similar would be a good solution IMO. Or staged/variable DC to the pumps.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 01:42 PM
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Even decapped or injectors with no pintle cap flow much better at high pressure. I've flowed decapped injectors on my little homemade flow tester and 58 PSI made a noticeable difference over 43.5 PSI as far as spray pattern.
Try a meth nozzle at low vs high pressure. It makes the difference between a less flowing shower and a high flow mist.
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