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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 07:17 PM
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I am building a 1959 chevy apache truck with a built iron 6.0 (K1 crank, Callies Compstar rods, Wiseco pistons, BTR stg 2 turbo cam, etc). I have a Treadstrone front mount intercooler but thats the only part of the turbo kit I have. Im looking to build a street/show truck to make around 800-1000hp on e85

I just bought a 'new' turbo second hand from someone who used it only for mock up and idle. I picked it up for really cheap so I think the deal was good but I don't have any real information on what it is. Id love some help identifying which turbo this is, if it will work for my application or if I need to buy a new hot side.

All I know is it is a T4, Billet wheel, 83.5 compressor inducer, 88mm turbine inducer.

My truck so far:


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I took the housings off and took a couple measurements. and took photos of all numbers on the casting:

It looks like it has an 83.50mm compressor inducer and an 88mm turbine inducer. My calipers weren't deep enough to get exducer measurements.





This number is cast in the center section on the compressor side.


Hot side casting numbers:



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The only question is 800-1000hp flywheel or wheel horsepower.
1000 flywheel through a TR6060 should land around 850whp which I think that turbo would do provided the exhaust turbine is sized accordingly.
If the price is right on that S480 and the turbine is the large 96mm then that turbo should hit your goals or get pretty darn close.
I think ideally you'd want a T6 housing but there are some on here who say it doesn't matter, I however do not know.
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Originally Posted by The ******
The only question is 800-1000hp flywheel or wheel horsepower.
1000 flywheel through a TR6060 should land around 850whp which I think that turbo would do provided the exhaust turbine is sized accordingly.
If the price is right on that S480 and the turbine is the large 96mm then that turbo should hit your goals or get pretty darn close.
I think ideally you'd want a T6 housing but there are some on here who say it doesn't matter, I however do not know.
I would be more than happy with 800-1000hp flywheel hp. It will be mostly a show truck that will do some spirited freeway pulls and burnouts.

I updated the post with photos of the measurements of the inducer section on the compressor and turbine. I couldnt get my caliper on the exducer and didnt want to dig out my set of mics

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I would be more than happy with 800-1000hp flywheel hp. It will be mostly a show truck that will so dome spirited freeway pulls and burnouts.

I updated the post with photos of the measurements of the inducer section on the compressor and turbine. I couldnt get my caliper on the exducer and didnt want to dig out my set of mics
I'd run it, that smaller turbine behind a 6.0L with a stick will light off quick and be a ton of fun.
In a stick car, sorry truck, I'd rather have a slightly small turbo that lights off fast than a large turbo that takes a second to get going.
That compressor wheel will inevitably move more air than that turbine can move so at some point you'll hit a wall with power but I think you'll be able hit your goals and have a good driver too.
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I'd run it, that smaller turbine behind a 6.0L with a stick will light off quick and be a ton of fun.
In a stick car, sorry truck, I'd rather have a slightly small turbo that lights off fast than a large turbo that takes a second to get going.
That compressor wheel will inevitably move more air than that turbine can move so at some point you'll hit a wall with power but I think you'll be able hit your goals and have a good driver too.
Thanks, I was thinking the same thing on the t4 housing. Any idea what this turbo is? I have not been able to find it online. also is this the 'race cover'?
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Where the hell do you guys find these fleetsides at?!!! I looked for years and finally settled for a 58 stepside. This thing will be stupid fun with that much power. Looking forward to build thread.

One recommendation. Build your hotside with a T6 flange. Then get a T4 to T6 adapter flange (diesel guys use them to step up) to reduce it to fit the T4 turbo. Simply remove it later and go T6 turbo when the time comes instead of building/modding the hotside again. This is what I did for my car.
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Where the hell do you guys find these fleetsides at?!!! I looked for years and finally settled for a 58 stepside. This thing will be stupid fun with that much power. Looking forward to build thread.

One recommendation. Build your hotside with a T6 flange. Then get a T4 to T6 adapter flange (diesel guys use them to step up) to reduce it to fit the T4 turbo. Simply remove it later and go T6 turbo when the time comes instead of building/modding the hotside again. This is what I did for my car.
haha I looked for about a year and found this one in a backyard in Compton. there arent many in good shape, that's for sure!

Good call on building the hotside for a t6. I dont know if I will even need more power but thats what they all say

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Originally Posted by BLAC
Thanks, I was thinking the same thing on the t4 housing. Any idea what this turbo is? I have not been able to find it online. also is this the 'race cover'?
That looks like a billet compressor wheel to me which to my understanding Borg does not manufacture a billet wheel.
If a Borg has a billet compressor wheel its usually a Forced Induction built unit, I'd reach out to Jose at FI and see what he says.
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That looks like a billet compressor wheel to me which to my understanding Borg does not manufacture a billet wheel.
If a Borg has a billet compressor wheel its usually a Forced Induction built unit, I'd reach out to Jose at FI and see what he says.
https://www.forcedinductions.com/
Good idea. I reached out and sent some pics and he said it looked like a 84/96. I still cant find any pictures online that look like my compressor housing on a 84/96 or the billet wheel...

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Good idea. I reached out and sent some pics and he said it looked like a 84/96. I still cant find any pictures online that look like my compressor housing on a 84/96 or the billet wheel...
That’s the one I’d like to have on my Formula
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Good idea. I reached out and sent some pics and he said it looked like a 84/96. I still cant find any pictures online that look like my compressor housing on a 84/96 or the billet wheel...
My guess would be because its a FI built unit and I'm pretty sure that's the race cover too.
I have the S484/96 from FI as well and I can't find any info on it, I would assume that's because Jose keeps that info very close to his chest...I certainly would.
If it is in fact an 84/96 you're in good shape, I've got that same unit on my smaller 5.7 w/ a TH400 and it comes on line fast and makes a lot of noise doing it lol.
Leave room for a big filter and leave the down pipe as large as you can or even do a fender exit.
Mine has a bumper exit and its spools up fast and sounds badass to boot.
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Originally Posted by The ******
My guess would be because its a FI built unit and I'm pretty sure that's the race cover too.
I have the S484/96 from FI as well and I can't find any info on it, I would assume that's because Jose keeps that info very close to his chest...I certainly would.
If it is in fact an 84/96 you're in good shape, I've got that same unit on my smaller 5.7 w/ a TH400 and it comes on line fast and makes a lot of noise doing it lol.
Leave room for a big filter and leave the down pipe as large as you can or even do a fender exit.
Mine has a bumper exit and its spools up fast and sounds badass to boot.
Im not sure if it is a FI turbo though, he just said "it looks like one of the 84/96 from a couple years ago". im still not quite sure what I have haha I guess I'll just bolt it up and see what it does on a dyno... unless a turbo god is watching and wants to chime in....
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