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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 04:56 PM
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Default Where to go to find some Incon Manifolds...

Or something very close to it. I like the OEM style or them but I could use others I guess. I am looking for the same placement of the turbos. Any ideas?
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 05:10 PM
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Or something very close to it. I like the OEM style or them but I could use others I guess. I am looking for the same placement of the turbos. Any ideas?
You could make a mold of Incon manifolds and have a company make you some. That will be expensive unless you make a quite a few.

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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:21 PM
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You could make a mold of Incon manifolds and have a company make you some. That will be expensive unless you make a quite a few.

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Good idea! I didn't think of that right off the bat. Now anyone have some laying around? If so I want to barrow them for $$$.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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Depending on where the turbo would mount. I have seen so many kits. Where does the icon turbo mount. If you found a doner to make a mold. I might buy a second set.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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they go here...


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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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You can probably pick up the manifolds themselves. Incon delivered a lot of partial kits. Some people got just the manifolds. Unless they threw them out, they would still be out there.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 06:46 PM
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My dad is in the Aerospace Business and he said he knows of a place that would copy them for me. Of course the more they copy the cheaper it will be. If I can find some with the manifolds I can barrow/buy I will do this for my sake and others that are wanting to go the same route.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:42 PM
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If someone was to start making copies... I would also be interested. It is my understanding that the incomplete kits that were sent were missing Manifolds and CHRA's... pretty much the 2 most important parts of the kit... any other items could easily be replaced.... which is why they were essentially piles of junk.
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Mine are off of the car and sitting in the garage right now, but they aren't going anywhere. If anything were to happen to them then I would be totally screwed.

I think that you are going to have a rough time getting anyone to part with them, most of the guys that have them waited a long time and suffered a lot of BS to get them. Hopefully you can find a partial kit that someone would be willing to part with for some $$$ since they would have nothing to lose at this point.
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unfortunately most of the kits that were screwed, got completed, or have since sold the vehicles, ect, and haven't really been around.

I've been looking for the past year for a set, but they're impossible to come by. The 5.0 ones hit ebay about once every few months or so.

I have debated many times about cloning a incon setup, and marketing it, but nobody would really pay the $7000-9000+ it would cost to do the setup correct, and make it worth the time/money/investement required to do it correctly the first time, all manufactured parts.

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How well made are the icon manifolds. I wander if it is posible to make it a single kit not a twin. I dont think it is though
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The thing is even if you got the manifolds copied, the turobs are WAY too expensive. the manifolds arent the hardest part to recreate, it would be simple to recast them. but those turbos are somewhat hard to find the peices and they cost 2 nuts, left arm, and right wrist.

too much work, it would be easier to try to get someone to copy the CAS twin kit, with the easier to find turbos, and simple parts to recreate.
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What have I missed? Whats so special about the incon turbos?
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Originally Posted by 69firebird
The thing is even if you got the manifolds copied, the turobs are WAY too expensive. the manifolds arent the hardest part to recreate, it would be simple to recast them. but those turbos are somewhat hard to find the peices and they cost 2 nuts, left arm, and right wrist.

too much work, it would be easier to try to get someone to copy the CAS twin kit, with the easier to find turbos, and simple parts to recreate.
Yep! That is the reason why I want to do this. I can get the hook up on those modded turbos while im over in japan this winter. A friend or a friend works in the importing and exporting of turbo hardware over there.

Maybe if I keep on looking I will find someone with them.
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Originally Posted by 69firebird
The thing is even if you got the manifolds copied, the turobs are WAY too expensive. the manifolds arent the hardest part to recreate, it would be simple to recast them. but those turbos are somewhat hard to find the peices and they cost 2 nuts, left arm, and right wrist.

too much work, it would be easier to try to get someone to copy the CAS twin kit, with the easier to find turbos, and simple parts to recreate.
thats about right, without a hookup your talking close to 3K for the correct turbos

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jammer
What have I missed? Whats so special about the incon turbos?

Ditto that... What mounting flange does it use? What would make it so difficult to adapt a T3 flange to those manifolds? Or for that matter a T4 flange and add an external wastegate?
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Could you use a single intercooler with the old Incon setup? The Incon used two intercoolers mounted in front of the wheel wells if memory serves me correct and operated as independant banks.

My thoughts would be to use the aprts of the Incon kit into a single front mount intercooler if that can be realisticly done. Anybody?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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My thoughts would be to use the aprts of the Incon kit into a single front mount intercooler if that can be realisticly done. Anybody?
That's exactly the problem... the people who have partial kits all have the intercoolers.... They just never got the manifolds and CHRA's... once again... the most important parts of the kit. Making new intercooler piping and using a new intercooler is easy... just look at all the guys doing custom setups on DSM's... The components from turbo's to intercooler to throttle body are all relatively easy to do. The exhaust coming from the turbo to the Exhaust is also easy to do. The difficult part in fabbing a turbo setup is building a set of manifolds, and positioning the turbo's... The thing I've been interested in doing is fabbing a set of header style manifolds that hold the turbo's in the same location as the Incon setup does... but uses either a hybrid T3/T4 like the CAS kit, or just go with a straight T4 style (ideally something along the lines of a 60-1 or a T61). I am just not certain of clearances in that part of the engine bay...
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:48 AM
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Well that solves one issue I guess. I guess the single big intercooler can be done. My feeling was it would be better located for more efficient cooling.

If there was a good fabricator around, I'm sure he could fab up a set of manifolds and intake from stainless instead of cast iron. Have you considered starting with the truck manifold and going from there? I have seen them mounted and they do locate the turbos correctly. I would stay away from actuators and replace them with proper wastegates. You will also need to run a scavenging pump as the twins will be mounted level or below the oil pan.

I have a few thoughts on this as well.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Well that solves one issue I guess. I guess the single big intercooler can be done. My feeling was it would be better located for more efficient cooling.
True, There are advantages to both setups... but one of the biggest reasons I like the idea of one big front mounted is to have two inlets at the bottom tank, use the intercooler as a plenum, and have one outlet at the top piped right to the throttle body.

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If there was a good fabricator around, I'm sure he could fab up a set of manifolds and intake from stainless instead of cast iron.
Absolutely.. but have you ever priced just the parts? Parts alone cost as much as complete kits normally do... and that doesn't even factor in the time it takes to fabricate all the components... Which is why I've been desperately hoping for a competent shop to build a setup. (Speed Inc's INTMD8 who built the big single for their shop car also fabbed up a twin kit for his LT1 car that is IMHO pretty damn close to exactly what I am looking for)


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Have you considered starting with the truck manifold and going from there? I have seen them mounted and they do locate the turbos correctly.
Not really.. it's not so much that the manifold holds the turbo's correctly... the truck manifolds are piped to a Y-pipe to a big single in front of the engine...which as cool as it is... requires a lot of work.

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I would stay away from actuators and replace them with proper wastegates.
I couldn't agree more... just an issue of clearance.

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You will also need to run a scavenging pump as the twins will be mounted level or below the oil pan.
Not necessarily... The CAS setup had similar positioning to the Incon setup... but was just a bit higher.... just enough so that the turbos WERE able to gravity drain.

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