Larger Procharger IC for D1SC?
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Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? A buddy of mine is selling a like new intercooler that was purchased through ATI Procharger. He had it in front of his 67 GTO with a D2 setup. He had to remove his grille and then had some cooling issues since it was blocking the radiator (reason he's selling it). He brought it over yesterday and we fitted it right behind the stock plastic air dam right below the crank pulley mounted horizontal. It actually fits great. I'd have to fab some brackets and mount a flexible air damn on to it that would hang down a little lower than the stock dam to help cool the IC not to mention run my own tubing. How much would this help my power compared to the twin IC's that come with the D1SC kit? Seams like a single IC would be a better system.
Pic of it:
<img src="http://www.procharger.com/3_intercoolers.jpg" alt=" - " />
top left model
Sheet Metal 3-Core
3" x 13" x 27"
supports 1000hp
I'm building a forged 6.0 setup with stage III 6.0 heads and hope to push 10-12lbs of boost.
Pic of it:
<img src="http://www.procharger.com/3_intercoolers.jpg" alt=" - " />
top left model
Sheet Metal 3-Core
3" x 13" x 27"
supports 1000hp
I'm building a forged 6.0 setup with stage III 6.0 heads and hope to push 10-12lbs of boost.
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Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? Well, if you are gonna make 1000+ hp, then maybe this wouold be worthwhile, but i will let you know, that each of you high flow innercoolers are rated at 450 hp, so by switching to the single, you are only gonna make an extra 100 hp, not to mention the fact that with the twiin high flows, you will have a lower intake air temp, since you are sparating the airflow, and cooling it more efficiently, since where ATI locates the, is a low pressure area, and they get the most air. By placing the single vertically, you will be limited on airflow, and will be blocking airflow from the radiator, the only way to really do it(on a camaro), would be to remove the foam support from in front of you car, behind the bumper(the crush support) on a trans am, i really don't know an efficient way to get enough airflow up there to cool the innercooler and the radiator efficiently, without cooling problems.
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Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your input on this. You make total sense but I need to explain some more.
The main reason that got me interested in this is GWP's stage 3 kit for the D1SC. Supposely this is a step up from the twin IC's and I'm sure they do it for a reason.
actual GWP stage 3 IC:
<img src="http://www.matt-sherman.net/tucker/Dec02_07.JPG" alt=" - " />
Stage 3 description:
http://www.goldenwestperformance.com/ls1_r6_c5.gif
The main problem I see with the twin IC's is all the tubing and Y's you have to run. If you think about, it's like trying to run boost through large area before the engine (not including the IC) which can't be good for boost. One look at the Y plenum sitting on top and you can easily see that.
Now, as far as sticking the IC in front of the radiator, no, thats not what I had intended. Look under the f-body crank pulley. There's TON's of room for a large IC but you would have to lay it horizontal just like the twin IC's. The 3" thick IC I tried actually tucks up higher than the stock air dam. The large IC would be cooled the same way the twin IC's are cooled, by using a large flexable air dam, which would hang slightly lower than the stock radiator dam. This way, the radiator would be getting plenty of air and nothing would have to be cut except the holes for the IC tubing.
I'd be installing the larger IC where the Y tube is. The hard part would be getting it connected to the D1SC but not impossible.
<img src="http://www.blackls1ta.com/images2/18.jpg" alt=" - " />
The main reason that got me interested in this is GWP's stage 3 kit for the D1SC. Supposely this is a step up from the twin IC's and I'm sure they do it for a reason.
actual GWP stage 3 IC:
<img src="http://www.matt-sherman.net/tucker/Dec02_07.JPG" alt=" - " />
Stage 3 description:
http://www.goldenwestperformance.com/ls1_r6_c5.gif
The main problem I see with the twin IC's is all the tubing and Y's you have to run. If you think about, it's like trying to run boost through large area before the engine (not including the IC) which can't be good for boost. One look at the Y plenum sitting on top and you can easily see that.
Now, as far as sticking the IC in front of the radiator, no, thats not what I had intended. Look under the f-body crank pulley. There's TON's of room for a large IC but you would have to lay it horizontal just like the twin IC's. The 3" thick IC I tried actually tucks up higher than the stock air dam. The large IC would be cooled the same way the twin IC's are cooled, by using a large flexable air dam, which would hang slightly lower than the stock radiator dam. This way, the radiator would be getting plenty of air and nothing would have to be cut except the holes for the IC tubing.
I'd be installing the larger IC where the Y tube is. The hard part would be getting it connected to the D1SC but not impossible.
<img src="http://www.blackls1ta.com/images2/18.jpg" alt=" - " />
Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ZYA_LTR:
<strong> not to mention the fact that with the twiin high flows, you will have a lower intake air temp, since you are sparating the airflow, and cooling it more efficiently, since where ATI locates the, is a low pressure area, and they get the most air</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know if this is true. Separating the air flow is going to do nothing but create a larger pressure drop for the intercooler setup. Two smaller intercooler vs a properly sized larger intercooler are going to cool at the same efficiency.
The "best" way to run an intercooler (all other things aside) is to replace the A/C condenser with an intercooler.
I haven't heard of anybody having cooling problems on the LS1 with this type of intercooler arrangement.
If you are looking to make some serious power, the intercooler setup should be one of your primary concerns, and I think a front mounted intercooler is the best way to go.
Just my .02
<strong> not to mention the fact that with the twiin high flows, you will have a lower intake air temp, since you are sparating the airflow, and cooling it more efficiently, since where ATI locates the, is a low pressure area, and they get the most air</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know if this is true. Separating the air flow is going to do nothing but create a larger pressure drop for the intercooler setup. Two smaller intercooler vs a properly sized larger intercooler are going to cool at the same efficiency.
The "best" way to run an intercooler (all other things aside) is to replace the A/C condenser with an intercooler.
I haven't heard of anybody having cooling problems on the LS1 with this type of intercooler arrangement.
If you are looking to make some serious power, the intercooler setup should be one of your primary concerns, and I think a front mounted intercooler is the best way to go.
Just my .02
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Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? GWP's Stage III has has one large intercooler in the area directly in front of the car... no problem getting plenty of cool air from their. It takes some front-end modification, I've heard.
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Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? I'm not sure of what the IAT's would be with the single large i/c, but with the twin high flows, mine was usually around 5 to 10 degrees above ambient, which is awesome for Michigan hot humid summer weather. If you could cool the larger innercooler, say like NoGo said, ditch the a/c, and put it there, then i would mount up a single pusher fan mounted on the i/c, so you had a pusher on your i/c, and a puller on your radiator, it should be fine, hell, Harlan runs a single huge i/c on his in the same place with no problems.
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Re: Larger Procharger IC for D1SC? You guys should know that the f-body's are bottom feeders when it comes to engine cooling. Always have been. Between the factory scoop and the air dam is where we get the necessary air to cool the radiator and our motors. You can front mount an intercooler in front of the radiator, you are just going to have to adjust the flow of the air past the scoop/dam to get the motor to cool
