Budget Turbo Kit/Pre-fab Kit???
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Budget Turbo Kit/Pre-fab Kit??? I am very interested in adding a turbo kit to my 2001 SS. I really like the new Hi -Flo "Street Killer" kit but I want to see what the issues with it are. I also saw the Budget Kit from the guy in the pink shirt with the 6.0 Manifolds and I really like that. The question I have is which setup would be best for power and most reliable. I know reliablility isn't something you think of in a turbo kit but I want something that will make power for awhile. Me, just like everyone else, has a money issue. I like the budget kit because it is cheaper but will it last and will it make equal power to the Pre-Fab kits. Thanks for all the help.
Originally Posted by Sandmann120
What would be nice is if somebody would produce the crossover and downpipe for use with the 6.0 manifolds. Sponsors, are you listening?
Originally Posted by y2khawk
Others are listening as well.
The problem with that is most people that are using 6.0 manifolds dont care about keeping their AC or PS but just want to go fast for cheap. The majority seems to bitch about kits if there is not a provision for AC, PS, etc.
I personally dont care if I have to relocate a battery, or trim up the core support a little. I just want something that looks nice, will fit the biggest freaking turbo known to man and make big power. Id love to see one that is build with out AC and relocating a battery and alternator. None of that bothers me. The way I see it is too many chiefs not enough Indians.
Mike
In most cases when I have seen people do it, they dont end up saving much. The Hi Flo Kit's Intro price is exceptionaly good. $4300 with all quality parts and 321 Stainless steel for the manifolds. I would be suprised if you could even replicate anything close as nice to this kit for that price.
CMC
CMC
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Harlan,
You say others are listening, I called Joe about making this kit and he wasnt interested at all, said hed call back and never did
so now are you guys going to be offering it?
ed
You say others are listening, I called Joe about making this kit and he wasnt interested at all, said hed call back and never did
so now are you guys going to be offering it?
ed
Originally Posted by Hawkcmc
In most cases when I have seen people do it, they dont end up saving much. The Hi Flo Kit's Intro price is exceptionaly good. $4300 with all quality parts and 321 Stainless steel for the manifolds. I would be suprised if you could even replicate anything close as nice to this kit for that price.
CMC
CMC
DITTO THAT
Originally Posted by 69firebird
Harlan,
You say others are listening, I called Joe about making this kit and he wasnt interested at all, said hed call back and never did
so now are you guys going to be offering it?
ed
You say others are listening, I called Joe about making this kit and he wasnt interested at all, said hed call back and never did
so now are you guys going to be offering it?
ed
That being said, I could see making the y-pipe/up pipes only. But the end user would have to fit the downpipe/IC piping, etc.
There just isn't the staff to make kits at this point, and still get the bread and butter jobs done.
Maybe I should say I'm listening, and pitching ideas over the wall.
Originally Posted by y2khawk
It's one of those catch 22's. Kit's are time intensive, but to work they have to be reasonable in price. And we all know how things fit from car to car.
That being said, I could see making the y-pipe/up pipes only. But the end user would have to fit the downpipe/IC piping, etc.
There just isn't the staff to make kits at this point, and still get the bread and butter jobs done.
Maybe I should say I'm listening, and pitching ideas over the wall.
That being said, I could see making the y-pipe/up pipes only. But the end user would have to fit the downpipe/IC piping, etc.
There just isn't the staff to make kits at this point, and still get the bread and butter jobs done.
Maybe I should say I'm listening, and pitching ideas over the wall.
I came accross the wrong way I think, what I am mroe thinking is that if you were able to make a kit where you made the Y-pipe, and figure out how to make the downpipe fit though the stock K member(so those that have aftermarket members it would definatly fit) then I think you would have a winner, make it a hot parts only, since you are already a turbo dealer it is easy for you to sell the turbo along with it.
Being just a Ypipe and downpipe, you could sell the kit pretty affordably, make it in mild or stainless which ever you prefer. Offer it coated or not, there are numerous vairables available. However I dont think offering just the Ypipe without down pipe is going to work, as most I have talked to that is the part that most concerns them.
Offer a kit that is
-Ypipe
-Down Pipe
-turbo (optional)
-intercooler (make it in kit for to work, again optional)
You could sell the kit for 2k without turbo and still make a ton of cash.
You say that you guys are too busy (im not arguing the point, congrats by the way) to finish the bread and butter, this could become a viable part of your business plan, im thinking 60/40, 70/30 (current stuff / 6.0 kits)
There is definatly a market, just waiting on you guys to tap into it. If you stoped your normal projects for one week to design, and one week to produce (i understand 2 weeks is a big setback) think how many of these simple kits you could make in a week.
Just food for thought, I sound like a nagging old lady I know, Im just seeing an opportunity for Stenod to capture a larger market share of the FI performance LS1 market. Seems to me it couldnt hurt to at least try.
Print this out and toss it over the wall,
with everything involved its really not profitably enough for the effort.
those who built them now what a pain it is getting everything to fit up right. i had to cut and reweld my merge pipe 3 times as for some reason it kept changing each time i fitted it up, finally resolved the problem with a vband slip joint
you have to offer it cheap as everyone whats it cheap, but you have it provide enough funds to support your effort. so unless you have some good jigs, and a dedicated man cuting and welding these up like assembly work it wont be profitable
those who built them now what a pain it is getting everything to fit up right. i had to cut and reweld my merge pipe 3 times as for some reason it kept changing each time i fitted it up, finally resolved the problem with a vband slip joint
you have to offer it cheap as everyone whats it cheap, but you have it provide enough funds to support your effort. so unless you have some good jigs, and a dedicated man cuting and welding these up like assembly work it wont be profitable
Smokin how much cash do you have in just metal and flanges?
once its figured out and a good jig is made it should be fairly acheivable.
When I say cheap I dont mean a couple hundred. I cant imangine there is more than 500 in materials. So if they sold it for 900-1200, they have doubled their money.
Look at the Phamspeed kits, their hotparts were 900, Id bet they had less than $300 in each one, for just the hot parts.
So lets assume it was 300, they sold for 900, thats 600 profit. If they managed to sell 2 kits a week, that is 1200 extra a week. Judging from the large scale projects they are working on(fromt pics on thier site, dont know day to day stuff) it doesnt appear they would have a chance for normal weekly income. Itd be a great week, and then a few not so great weeks, followded by another great week. This just seems like a way to streamline income for them.
I would think its feasable, but if the kits fit so poorly from car to car then it wouldnt work. I dont however understand how that would be a problem, since other kits dont have that problem.
If it takes that much thought, it must not be something that is easily done. I havent tried to make one of these kits, so I cannot speak from experience, but if they were to design it away from body parts and the motor, they should be able to make an accurate enough jig.
If I were in the market to make cash Id make this kit, and something similiar to Kyles kit as off the shelf.
Oh well, if it takes this many words to explain then it must not be worth it
ed
once its figured out and a good jig is made it should be fairly acheivable.
When I say cheap I dont mean a couple hundred. I cant imangine there is more than 500 in materials. So if they sold it for 900-1200, they have doubled their money.
Look at the Phamspeed kits, their hotparts were 900, Id bet they had less than $300 in each one, for just the hot parts.
So lets assume it was 300, they sold for 900, thats 600 profit. If they managed to sell 2 kits a week, that is 1200 extra a week. Judging from the large scale projects they are working on(fromt pics on thier site, dont know day to day stuff) it doesnt appear they would have a chance for normal weekly income. Itd be a great week, and then a few not so great weeks, followded by another great week. This just seems like a way to streamline income for them.
I would think its feasable, but if the kits fit so poorly from car to car then it wouldnt work. I dont however understand how that would be a problem, since other kits dont have that problem.
If it takes that much thought, it must not be something that is easily done. I havent tried to make one of these kits, so I cannot speak from experience, but if they were to design it away from body parts and the motor, they should be able to make an accurate enough jig.
If I were in the market to make cash Id make this kit, and something similiar to Kyles kit as off the shelf.
Oh well, if it takes this many words to explain then it must not be worth it
ed
probably not that much in materials, since i used aluminized. cheap bends from summit.
time consuming yes, my second one took less time as i decided to redo it as the pipes i orginally got had its wall to thin.
if you do make jigs ya it would be easier after its sorted out.
the main time consumer on my project was getting the car to take it, modifying the radiator support and such. i did spend alot of time designing the system to work for me the way i wanted it, easy acces to the plugs, easy access to all parts so when i need to work on something on my car as all high HP cars do i can do it quickly. liek my removable radiator support so i can pull the engine out easily.
time consuming yes, my second one took less time as i decided to redo it as the pipes i orginally got had its wall to thin.
if you do make jigs ya it would be easier after its sorted out.
the main time consumer on my project was getting the car to take it, modifying the radiator support and such. i did spend alot of time designing the system to work for me the way i wanted it, easy acces to the plugs, easy access to all parts so when i need to work on something on my car as all high HP cars do i can do it quickly. liek my removable radiator support so i can pull the engine out easily.
I like the idea of just the y-pipe, or up-pipe. For some strange reason, I was contemplating running a short, open downpipe anyway, and not running it back through the k-member. I y-pipe would work fine, as long as it had a wastegate mount on it as well. Keep it simple, and deal with it being loud and obnoxious. Works for me.
I also plan on running a short downpipe.
smokinhawk, what gauge piping do your recommend for the hot side? Im debating between mild steel and aluminized. Is aluminized more difficult to weld? I will be tacking my pipe with a wire feed, and finishing with a tig.
smokinhawk, what gauge piping do your recommend for the hot side? Im debating between mild steel and aluminized. Is aluminized more difficult to weld? I will be tacking my pipe with a wire feed, and finishing with a tig.
Time isn't free, and there's a decent amount of time (even with jigs) in fitting and welding.
$$ after materials != profit. A serious misconception until you spend alot of time mass producing something and trying to justify the profit margin versus your personal time and effort.
Just an example (which i can take to heart having done just that for many years).
$$ after materials != profit. A serious misconception until you spend alot of time mass producing something and trying to justify the profit margin versus your personal time and effort.
Just an example (which i can take to heart having done just that for many years).