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Originally Posted by Patrick G
If my Mamo-ported FAST 90 gave me a 29 rwhp gain over an LS6 intake (on motor), I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have a benefit on boost. 29 rwhp gain NA, should be like a 45-50 rwhp gain at 10 psi.
It's funny...so many guys that say you don't need ported heads when running a blower or you don't need FAST intake running a blower, "just turn up the boost"...they're the ones making 550 rwhp at 10psi. Then I see guys with AFRs and FAST make 650 rwhp with the same 10 psi boost.I don't see a reason to dump the FAST for an LS6, but maybe you guys have seen differently. Anyone can turn up the boost, but power is more about cfm than boost.
It's funny...so many guys that say you don't need ported heads when running a blower or you don't need FAST intake running a blower, "just turn up the boost"...they're the ones making 550 rwhp at 10psi. Then I see guys with AFRs and FAST make 650 rwhp with the same 10 psi boost.I don't see a reason to dump the FAST for an LS6, but maybe you guys have seen differently. Anyone can turn up the boost, but power is more about cfm than boost.
Originally Posted by Jeremiah
A good freind switched his stockers out for a set of stage three LS6 heads, if I remember correctly the boost was lowered approx. three pounds and the Hp was unchanged. You make more efficient power and probably a little better low end numbers but peak power was not affected. The end result was it wasnt worth all the money and labor to gain soo little.
Vortech, sorry for the hijack, your numbers are very impressive! I'd love to hear more about the street manners and fuel economy after you've gotten more miles under your belt. You make a strong case for us street guys choosing a Procharger over a turbo...especially if we want to keep our AC.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Chris-the intercooler is still in place-I didn't appreciate it much at first but with all the logging I did over the summer it really does do it's job.
No problem at all Patrick I didn't even know I was hi-jacked-lol. The car is very driver friendly-fire it up and drive away-no lumping or anything or waiting for the car to warm up. Fuel economy did suffer with the 60lb injecters and I think I saw a post over in the HP forums where Nick "BlownZ06" changed the offset values and it made a big difference if fuel economy. Steady cruising is no problem-it's just in the city is where the fuel econonomy suffered-mostly because your either accelerating or coasting. all in all I didn't worry about it because the driveability was good and I was happy with that. I'm still using the MAF and just tuned around it when it got pegged-wasn't a big issue either. One thing for sure if your considering the blower and want make power over 550 on the stock shortblock-is get a good meth kit. It's a sinch to hookup-cheap to full up and it's great insurance policy. I just keep wondering how fast I could of gotten my 5.0 mustangs to go back in the day if i had meth injection and a wideband?
You'll be happy with the Procharger-i've had Vortech's and Novi's in the past and Procharger seems to fill alot of the gaps much better than the Vortech's with all there different head units.
No problem at all Patrick I didn't even know I was hi-jacked-lol. The car is very driver friendly-fire it up and drive away-no lumping or anything or waiting for the car to warm up. Fuel economy did suffer with the 60lb injecters and I think I saw a post over in the HP forums where Nick "BlownZ06" changed the offset values and it made a big difference if fuel economy. Steady cruising is no problem-it's just in the city is where the fuel econonomy suffered-mostly because your either accelerating or coasting. all in all I didn't worry about it because the driveability was good and I was happy with that. I'm still using the MAF and just tuned around it when it got pegged-wasn't a big issue either. One thing for sure if your considering the blower and want make power over 550 on the stock shortblock-is get a good meth kit. It's a sinch to hookup-cheap to full up and it's great insurance policy. I just keep wondering how fast I could of gotten my 5.0 mustangs to go back in the day if i had meth injection and a wideband?
You'll be happy with the Procharger-i've had Vortech's and Novi's in the past and Procharger seems to fill alot of the gaps much better than the Vortech's with all there different head units.
Originally Posted by Vortech
i've had Vortech's and Novi's in the past and Procharger seems to fill alot of the gaps much better than the Vortech's with all there different head units.
I was about to ask you why you name was vortech since you are running a Procharger. I have been answered.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Thank you, you entirely made my point. Because your setup was more efficient with higher flowing heads, you could make the same power with less boost. Add the 3 pounds of boost you just lost and watch your power increase another 80 rwhp. The high flow heads allow you to make more power without risking detonation...just the ticket for a pump gas motor.
Vortech, sorry for the hijack, your numbers are very impressive! I'd love to hear more about the street manners and fuel economy after you've gotten more miles under your belt. You make a strong case for us street guys choosing a Procharger over a turbo...especially if we want to keep our AC.
Vortech, sorry for the hijack, your numbers are very impressive! I'd love to hear more about the street manners and fuel economy after you've gotten more miles under your belt. You make a strong case for us street guys choosing a Procharger over a turbo...especially if we want to keep our AC.
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You'll lose low and midrange with the Fast manifold too only to get what 15 hp tops at peak? and they are known to leak to boot.
Keep It Simple Stupid, just run a plain ole ls6 manifold. You dont even need a cam really with the ATI's their head units push a lot of cfm.
great numbers, can't imagine how that must feel in a vette
Keep It Simple Stupid, just run a plain ole ls6 manifold. You dont even need a cam really with the ATI's their head units push a lot of cfm.
great numbers, can't imagine how that must feel in a vette
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Originally Posted by Vortech
Chris-the intercooler is still in place-I didn't appreciate it much at first but with all the logging I did over the summer it really does do it's job.
One thing for sure if your considering the blower and want make power over 550 on the stock shortblock-is get a good meth kit. It's a sinch to hookup-cheap to full up and it's great insurance policy. I just keep wondering how fast I could of gotten my 5.0 mustangs to go back in the day if i had meth injection and a wideband?
One thing for sure if your considering the blower and want make power over 550 on the stock shortblock-is get a good meth kit. It's a sinch to hookup-cheap to full up and it's great insurance policy. I just keep wondering how fast I could of gotten my 5.0 mustangs to go back in the day if i had meth injection and a wideband?
The Mustang thing.. tough crowd..
Amazing to see how the Vette's have responded to meth injection over the last few years.. its like a 30:1 ratio Vette vs 4th gen kits at my shop.
Post the 1/4 mile results when ya get them..
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Thanks Julio-I really don't think any of this was possible without the help of your meth kit and all the folks on this board answering questions. I've been trying to get the Vette guys up here to do a track rental day but they'd rather keep smack talking and take it to the streets. I went to St.thomas on a Mustang track rental day and ran a 11.26@132 spinning the ET streets through first and second-and that was only at 600 rw. I may have to go back there again-maybe they'll prep the track better on a bracket class day. TMP has a big event next weekend so it's out.
Nice numbers dude! Not sure how long that stock motor is gonna last....better start working some OT & saving up for a forged one. 
Ah the old LSX debate.....I like how mine works, but then I have 402 c.i. & ported n polished 317s. I'm thinkin AFR 225s might be a better match for my setup. But right now running 18-19* on my 9.3 CR motor with 13psi I see no KR. ALKY CONTROL!
Not sure how long that stock motor is gonna last....better start working some OT & saving up for a forged one. Ah the old LSX debate.....I like how mine works, but then I have 402 c.i. & ported n polished 317s. I'm thinkin AFR 225s might be a better match for my setup. But right now running 18-19* on my 9.3 CR motor with 13psi I see no KR. ALKY CONTROL!
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
It's funny...so many guys that say you don't need ported heads when running a blower or you don't need FAST intake running a blower, "just turn up the boost"...they're the ones making 550 rwhp at 10psi. Then I see guys with AFRs and FAST make 650 rwhp with the same 10 psi boost.I don't see a reason to dump the FAST for an LS6, but maybe you guys have seen differently. Anyone can turn up the boost, but power is more about cfm than boost.