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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ocdwill
tim go 88 ....just do it. better safe then sorry...the car will be bad eather way but more is better...
Looks like I may need to. I have a quote for 2-3 bigger turbos from a forum member. Just would have to sell the 76. Anyone interested? It has less than 2k miles on it when it was on my stock motor 2001 vette.

If I do not sell we will dyno with 76 and see what happens, then if I want to go up more in HP then I will go 88 but it is a T6 vs T4 and will have to change mounting bracket. I may just have to drive around with 650hp instead of 750 for a while.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:27 AM
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You are getting many of the same answers I got when I was looking at doing a 4XX motor with my T76gts...well, only then the S88 wasn't avail. In the end, I ended up going with a different motor combo and twins.

Earl,

I know we have posted on the corvette forum also about this project what in your opinion is the downside to the 76 in regards to Backpressure? Is the 76 not going to be efficient so once I get over app. 650-700 that I loose power or could hurt motor?

Or is it the case that to make 750-850 I need a 88 on 408ci and nothing is wrong with 76 just will not make that kind of power?

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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I agree with others that a bigger turbo would make the power easier, but I think it's only going to take 12 PSI or so to make the numbers we're looking for. I'm sure this turbo is capable of making that on the 408. Considering we already have the turbo, and the setup is proven and works well, I think this is the best way to go. Since we're already throwing money at this project with both hands, I think it's wise to use what we have, and if we need to change it later, it's no big deal.

If anyone insists on seeing a bigger turbo on this engine right away, donations can be made to: Gymtitan, C/O Late Model Speed at the address in my sig


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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by motorbuilt
Unless that T76 was a S76...then I can picture you making 800-900rwhp

S76 is in a different league.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gymtitan
Earl,

I know we have posted on the corvette forum also about this project what in your opinion is the downside to the 76 in regards to Backpressure? Is the 76 not going to be efficient so once I get over app. 650-700 that I loose power or could hurt motor?

Or is it the case that to make 750-850 I need a 88 on 408ci and nothing is wrong with 76 just will not make that kind of power?

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I can only go by experience...the T76 GTS on my stock cube motor started to get really inefficient at about 14 or 15psi (boost is relative)...it made 750rwhp...as I started to push more lbs, it would make comparatively less hp per lb.. I can only think that it was the backpressure the caused this issue (running a 3" DP btw). Re: dangers of backpressure...I'm no expert, but I consulted a guy on the turbomustang site about his experience with a 4XX Ford Motor and T76 and he indicated the the car kept popping head gaskets and that the motor just wasn't "happy" with that size turbo (i.e. shortened rpm band, excessive IATs, etc.). Could have been the tune or a number of other factors, but he did indicate that it improved with teh T88, even staying with aT4 based turbo.

Btw, try selling your turbo on the turbo mustang board or any number of import boards...that turbo size isn't uncommon for them. Also give Brian Cook a call (Vette Forum). He is putting together a single kit (C5s) and might be able to give someone a deal on his hot/cold parts and your turbo. Good luck either way.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed @ Late Model Speed
I agree with others that a bigger turbo would make the power easier, but I think it's only going to take 12 PSI or so to make the numbers we're looking for. I'm sure this turbo is capable of making that on the 408. Considering we already have the turbo, and the setup is proven and works well, I think this is the best way to go. Since we're already throwing money at this project with both hands, I think it's wise to use what we have, and if we need to change it later, it's no big deal.

If anyone insists on seeing a bigger turbo on this engine right away, donations can be made to: Gymtitan, C/O Late Model Speed at the address in my sig


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That's what we will see in a few days on the dyno. I run the chart and it looks like we will be good to 14-15 lbs before the 76 is out. Of course if we also add the spray the numbers will change. Ed didn't you promise 750rwhp on street tune to my wife?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Of course, there are better suited turbo's than the 76 on a 408. However, I don't think 750 rwhp through a locked converter would be a problem. I've made 700 rwhp on a 388 LTx through an auto/loose converter at only 17 psi, plus pulled 146 mph in the quarter at full weight. It'll do about 23 psi before it's out of steam, plus a locked up auto would put over 100 more hp to the tires than my TH350.

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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Of course, there are better suited turbo's than the 76 on a 408. However, I don't think 750 rwhp through a locked converter would be a problem. I've made 700 rwhp on a 388 LTx through an auto/loose converter at only 17 psi, plus pulled 146 mph in the quarter at full weight. It'll do about 23 psi before it's out of steam, plus a locked up auto would put over 100 more hp to the tires than my TH350.

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Standard 76 or 76gts?

If anybody can make 750 through a 408 T4 standard 76 it's Ed. Since ya have it it's a nobrainer to run it on a dyno. Just for fun I'll bet Ed a coke you stall out in the 600's rwhp. Put a pressure bung in the exhaust between the turbo and the head for grins also
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gymtitan
That's what we will see in a few days on the dyno. I run the chart and it looks like we will be good to 14-15 lbs before the 76 is out. Of course if we also add the spray the numbers will change. Ed didn't you promise 750rwhp on street tune to my wife?


lol... Ed, you in deep poop!! never promise the wife things......you know that....she might tell her man to beat you up..lol
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 05:46 AM
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lol... Ed, you in deep poop!! never promise the wife things......you know that....she might tell her man to beat you up..lol


Dam you do know me to well. That is just to funny and it has been a while since she asked me to do that.
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Standard 76 or 76gts?
Mine is a GTS.
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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im pretty sure you are going to maxout that turbo...but hey it will still be fun fun fun.
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by engineermike
Of course, there are better suited turbo's than the 76 on a 408. However, I don't think 750 rwhp through a locked converter would be a problem. I've made 700 rwhp on a 388 LTx through an auto/loose converter at only 17 psi, plus pulled 146 mph in the quarter at full weight. It'll do about 23 psi before it's out of steam, plus a locked up auto would put over 100 more hp to the tires than my TH350.

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That is true, but an LS1 flows alot more then an LT1. Take a worked 346ci LS1 vs a worked 350 LT1 and the flow #'s are pretty different.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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Ed didn't you promise 750rwhp on street tune to my wife?

Maybe, but she was feeding me hot wings and beer, so I can't really be held accountable....Iwould have agreed to damn near anything
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Standard 76 or 76gts?

If anybody can make 750 through a 408 T4 standard 76 it's Ed. Since ya have it it's a nobrainer to run it on a dyno. Just for fun I'll bet Ed a coke you stall out in the 600's rwhp. Put a pressure bung in the exhaust between the turbo and the head for grins also

Thanks Tom, you're on,but if I win, I'll want pie with it!

I'll take some pressure measurements for you.
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Old May 16, 2007 | 02:38 PM
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Hitting dyno Fri.

Well see about that T76 then??
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Originally Posted by gymtitan
Hitting dyno Fri.

Well see about that T76 then??
Good luck, and monitor backpressure. Would stink to blow a head gasket.
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Originally Posted by onfire
update?
second that....its been long enough....we have built two twin turbo cars and a single turbo car since this post started.......tuned and out the door..

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