IC for STS kit..mounting by air dam
be careful with a 20x12x3 because its a small IC for over 400hp. Its nice that it fits between the fogs but its not the most efficient. Look for at least a 4" version if you can with 3" outlets. Even then you'll likely see high IATs on a hot day. I added meth with my 20x12x4 in order to really cool things down. It was a good trade off IMO instead of running the larger 32x12x4 and trimming things.
Also, 20" width is JUST barely small enough to fit between the recessed part of the bumper that slips around the foglights. If that IC is even a 1/4" larger than 20" then it will push against your bumper and eventually cause the paint to start cracking due to flex.
And bolt it away from the bumper support rather than right up against it so that air can flow out the back as well. goodluk
Also, 20" width is JUST barely small enough to fit between the recessed part of the bumper that slips around the foglights. If that IC is even a 1/4" larger than 20" then it will push against your bumper and eventually cause the paint to start cracking due to flex.
And bolt it away from the bumper support rather than right up against it so that air can flow out the back as well. goodluk
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yeh thanks!! 1/4 inch LOL we got a garage and could do somethings with it....between me and dad we could make an IC but we don't have the time to do it, i started school and he is traveling for work and school (masters) I pretty much am finding out all that is out there that we could do for a front mount now, i have seen TRT's custom FMIC with bumper deal but i would like to stay away from that.
we can work something out with the 1/4inch deal if it comes down to that, find room somewhere...might even find a different way to mount the fogs
we can work something out with the 1/4inch deal if it comes down to that, find room somewhere...might even find a different way to mount the fogs
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Call or go to TRTturbo.com and look at the intercooler, i have my bird plate cover cut out and dremeled clean and it looks really good, lots of ppl dont see the turbo when they are behind my but from the front they reilieze what is in the car and it looks really clean, kinda like its supposed to be there. Anf i have a ? myself does anyone have a mesh cover or anything for where the plate cover was, i like the fact you can see the intercooler but i kinda dislike the big hole in the front thanks. 
check out bboyferal's setup. He basically took the plastic filler bird and modified it to have a mesh grill glued to the back. This is what I did too. I carry it with me in the back seat so that I can pop it in while parked or stick it on if it starts raining.
ZL1Killa i would recommend just adding meth and running the smaller IC if your concerned about space and trimming things. With that 20" you don't have to alter anything, simply drill a hole on either side of the bumper support for the holding tabs of the IC and your done. Mine also exits on one side so I run less piping going to the TB.
Meth controllers are getting cheaper and more advanced, so it gives you a lot of options, not to mention very low IATs (as in 80* IATs in 100* weather)
ZL1Killa i would recommend just adding meth and running the smaller IC if your concerned about space and trimming things. With that 20" you don't have to alter anything, simply drill a hole on either side of the bumper support for the holding tabs of the IC and your done. Mine also exits on one side so I run less piping going to the TB.
Meth controllers are getting cheaper and more advanced, so it gives you a lot of options, not to mention very low IATs (as in 80* IATs in 100* weather)
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oh yeah, i know all about meth, thanks to FROST for that 
and Julio at Alkycontrol
thats going to be a wise investment. I still think that I'm going to remove the license plate cover for driving and such and have the intercooler and just put it in or take it out when i need to for show or what not, just like what you said above.
I'm going to call TRTturbo monday and talk to them and see about everything and talk all the specifics...I will keep yall updated
and Julio at Alkycontrolthats going to be a wise investment. I still think that I'm going to remove the license plate cover for driving and such and have the intercooler and just put it in or take it out when i need to for show or what not, just like what you said above.
I'm going to call TRTturbo monday and talk to them and see about everything and talk all the specifics...I will keep yall updated
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i can't remember what size frosts IC is but i like it, he sent me pics and im going to see what PTS or TRTTurbo can do for me, the PTS IC is an arm and a leg but i believe thats near durn similar to frosts
he does.
I went to him for advice on my FMIC as well. I basically duplicated the PTS specs of their IC due to its size being compatible with the fogs. My core is not as nice as theirs though
...however mine did only cost $200 shipped with the end tanks.
I went to him for advice on my FMIC as well. I basically duplicated the PTS specs of their IC due to its size being compatible with the fogs. My core is not as nice as theirs though
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Verdad Gallardo The core is 18.5"x6"x4". With the end tanks, the ends extend the overall length to 20" and total height to 12.5" exactly. On mine, both tanks exit on the same side. 2.5" outlets on mine but if you can find 3" then thats better.
Its a snug fit so DO NOT go any larger than that if you want it to fit with no modifications to the bumper
Heres a pic illustrating it. The big red dot represents the foglight opening of the bumper that sits right next to the IC:
Its a snug fit so DO NOT go any larger than that if you want it to fit with no modifications to the bumper
Heres a pic illustrating it. The big red dot represents the foglight opening of the bumper that sits right next to the IC:
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WOW! remind me to talk to you about anything else involving the car!! thanks for the pic and info!!
all the guys are saying that this size IC or similar is too little for 400hp... guess because this core is bigger maybe? more efficient?
well guess i'm going to order PTSs' IC STS upgrade... you pay for what you get i reckon..wonder if there ends are 3" or 2.5"..i'll try calling them again on my break from classes
all the guys are saying that this size IC or similar is too little for 400hp... guess because this core is bigger maybe? more efficient?
well guess i'm going to order PTSs' IC STS upgrade... you pay for what you get i reckon..wonder if there ends are 3" or 2.5"..i'll try calling them again on my break from classes
I believe the PTS/K core is a spearco unit which is nicer. They claim that it supports 900+hp but I don't think I would rely on solely their unit if I was making that kind of power.
My IC is claimed to support 700+ and flow good but heres my results with it. These are all with 60-1 turbo, cam, 6psi, and the front license area cut open:
Late night of July, relatively cool around 80*:
-90-100* IATs. After full 6psi run IAT was around 105-110 maybe.
-Idles around 95-100IAT.
-very little KR if any. maybe .5* most
Afternoon of a 95+* day:
-Multiple 6psi runs saw 130+IATs after the run.
-Jumped to 140+ during idle.
-saw a lot of knock, mainly part throttle
Cruising on a 90+* afternoon
-IATs sat around 125-130 with no boost.
So in my opinion, their core will probably support a 500+hp car but if you go with any lesser quality core in that same size, be prepared to use meth (basically I agree with your friends, its not the biggest of Intercoolers). In fact, be prepared to use meth regardless
Edit: consider this, I spent $200 shipped on my IC and another $300 piecing together my own progressive meth setup. I think once the controller is dialed in, the meth paired with the IC will give better results than running just a bigger IC. But keep in mind meth only works under boost, so a bigger IC helps while cruising on hot summer days. just a little more food for thought
My IC is claimed to support 700+ and flow good but heres my results with it. These are all with 60-1 turbo, cam, 6psi, and the front license area cut open:
Late night of July, relatively cool around 80*:
-90-100* IATs. After full 6psi run IAT was around 105-110 maybe.
-Idles around 95-100IAT.
-very little KR if any. maybe .5* most
Afternoon of a 95+* day:
-Multiple 6psi runs saw 130+IATs after the run.
-Jumped to 140+ during idle.
-saw a lot of knock, mainly part throttle
Cruising on a 90+* afternoon
-IATs sat around 125-130 with no boost.
So in my opinion, their core will probably support a 500+hp car but if you go with any lesser quality core in that same size, be prepared to use meth (basically I agree with your friends, its not the biggest of Intercoolers). In fact, be prepared to use meth regardless
Edit: consider this, I spent $200 shipped on my IC and another $300 piecing together my own progressive meth setup. I think once the controller is dialed in, the meth paired with the IC will give better results than running just a bigger IC. But keep in mind meth only works under boost, so a bigger IC helps while cruising on hot summer days. just a little more food for thought
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well now the car on 90 degree and such days cruising around town gets to 130+ 140 and on highway it likes to stay at around 126-132 I have noticed
now after getting on it , it will shoot up to 145 and 165 i have seen but slowly comes back down to the low 130's and yes KR...lol
i try not to get on it that much as the heat produced is tremendous i know...
i will keep talking around and looking at different ICs and such.
now after getting on it , it will shoot up to 145 and 165 i have seen but slowly comes back down to the low 130's and yes KR...lol
i try not to get on it that much as the heat produced is tremendous i know...
i will keep talking around and looking at different ICs and such.
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I really like the TRT setup, billy sent me perfect install pics and everything was really helpful, and for 800 its not too bad on the bank. I know of one other company that has an STS intercooler, Synergy Performance out of Cali, they are a sponsor so look on the side of the home page and u should find them.
that includes everything you need (piping, brackets, couplers, ect) from TRT.
unless you know somebody that can weld aluminum, cores can be a hassel. typically they cost more once all is said and done and require more work since you have to find end tanks that fit.
unless you know somebody that can weld aluminum, cores can be a hassel. typically they cost more once all is said and done and require more work since you have to find end tanks that fit.
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well i ordered the PTS STS upgrade and the guys there gave me a discount on it, it wasn't quite only $800... i contacted trt and wanted me to give him dimensions and such and i didn't quite know at the time and know how they would route the systems (piping) and i saw PTSs' kit with pics and how the routed it and called and just ordered it. what core does TRT use? or do they make them
