If your looking for a good kit to use, check out alky control. Great people and great product.

As for fluid, we use 100% meth only. It is much safer to run 100% then to try to find the same mixture that was in the last jug. You will have more octane rating, and better cooling.

The only downside is the above, but have it anodized and there should not be an issue. Plenty of alcohol cars run a aluminum tank, but is HAS to be anodized.

 

Sounds like I should anodize it. Any sponsors do this? If not then who would you recommend?

 

do a local search in your area, should be an anodizer in your area. if not call me tomorrow and i'll give you a number to a guy down here in south florida that does it.

Darin
561.375.6277

 

Here is a method to prove it to yourself from the comfort of your own home.

1. Stick your finger in a glass of water. Pull it out.

2. Stick your finger in pure methanol. Pull it out.

Wall-ah! Point proven.

 

Dude, I am not going to go into this with you, so stop tempting me. Straight meth works. Meth/water mix works. Lets leave it at that.

If you really want to debate this, start a new thread. I'll be glad to discuss it there with you and point out all the many links that have been done before arguing each side.

 

I've heard people mix water with their meth mostly for safety. The mix is less flamable.

In my experience, and i've used both straight and mixed, straight meth is better. Less bogging and lets you run crazy timing and boost. Although I ran the washer fluid (-20*) and had great results as well and considering it cost $.99 per gallon at any auto parts store it's a perfect alternative.. Either way, it works!

 

Did you do my home proof test? Just checking.

 

There is no question that Methanol is colder to the touch than water, but that doesn't prove that methanol is more detonation prevention than water.

 

Meth raises the octane.....water does not. They both cool the charge (preventing detonation), but Meth cools more (finger test).

 

I run alky spray in two vehicle's, I have tried a 50 50 mix with water and it run like Sh*t, Like one said you can run a long time on a gallon of alky, One ask if you could spray hi-octane gas, That is a Big NO, Pumps set up to spray alky and you spray gas even E85 and your pump will die

 

you can do this yourself EASILY at home.

google how to anodize.

its so simple. did it back in the r/c car days.

 

This is a good example of how it effects different setups different ways. As said before the water will help cool, but the straight meth will increase the octane. If you have a setup that the IAT's already are cool from say an intercooler, but you just want to add more timing and boost, then straight meth will be more benefitial. If you are like me though, where my IAT's are getting on the warm side, the meth/water mix helps cool and increases the octane level making it most benefitial to me.

The meth will still cool, but the water will do a better job of it. Either way, methanol injection is a friggin awesome solution to running race gas.

 

Uggh. I have one of the -12in/out polished filters and I thought they were clear anodized. I guess I gotta get it anodized somewhere.

 

Light your finger on fire, then pour water on it. Let it dry, light it again, now pour methanol on it.

What are your results for best cooling effect?

 

OK. I did the test and the meth felt colder.

hahahaha

 

I think if you really did the test it would be the other way around, but I think it doesn't really matter anyways as we will probably have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

When you inject water/alcohol the alcohol portion provides instant cooling (as it quickly evaporates), added fuel, increased octane (when used with pump gas) and burns as part of the combustion process while reducing combustion temperatures and EGT‘s. It should be noted that alcohol has a much lower latent heat of vaporization then water therefore it begins to evaporate instantly when injected into a hot air charge.

Water on the other hand has a very high latent heat of vaporization.

Definition of Latent Heat Of Vaporization: “latent heat” is the amount of energy in the form of heat released or absorbed by a substance during a change of phase. (i.e. solid, liquid, or gas), - also called a phase transition.

The energy (heat) required to turn water into a steam (to begin evaporating) is substantially higher then that of alcohol. The water portion reacts a significantly slower as it needs a substantial amount more of heat to begin evaporating. When atomized properly water alone works well at cooling air charge temperatures. However, when compared to alcohol, testing has shown water does not have as great of a cooling effect on the air charge temperatures as does alcohol. It’s when the water reaches the combustion chamber and the temperatures within that it begins to turn to steam. This steam slows down and stabilizes the combustion process (acting as an anti-detonate/effective octane booster) while also lowering combustion chamber temperatures. It is also the water which cools and protects the tops of the pistons (these engines don’t have oil squirters under the pistons to cool them as do OEM engines designed for turbo's etc.). The water portion also cools and lowers EGT's.

Together, water alcohol injection cools the intake air charge temperatures (between 50-200+ degree‘s depending on how hot the air charge temperatures are), reduces combustion chamber temperatures and EGT‘s (up to 200 degree‘s), thus cooling and protecting the top of the pistons (your engine has no oil squirters under the piston to cool them as do the OEM engines designed for turbo’s and superchargers), cool’s the top ring and exhaust valves

 

^^^Now that is some good info.^^^

Thanks for sharing

 

Check out hard anodizing - it only costs a bit more than regular and is a much tougher coating. It also bonds well with Teflon and a couple other options - tell them it is to prevent methanol corrosion and a good plating shop will know the best combination.

I do know that straight methanol will eat through regular anodizing on Earl's and Russell fittings in about a season, so be careful about your tank and all connections.

Jim

 

Whenever 100% methanol is used, it will be more harsh on things such as some plastics, rubber, and even some metals. Snow Performance won't even warrenty their methanol pumps if you use 100% meth through them.

On the other hand, I'm sure 100% meth will give you a higher octane level after its injected compared to water/meth mix.