I was thinking the same thing that the air would be restricted by the plastic . I think its a good thing for the basic kit . But dont think youll get a 4" pipe up there with out it hitting the tire

 

I dont think he said his car was stock... He could have full suspension.. a moser and slicks... helping him to a 1.34 60ft, which is a pretty good start to a 6.22 in the 1/8th

 

I wasnt really jumping on him just to say the guys that are saying so many good things about this kit w/o giving all the info. Then people get on here and ask the question why dont my car run as good as ???????.


It also takes more than the best set up madman suspension you can buy and have tuned by madman to cut 1.3xs. It takes a lot of hp as well, more than you can get from a sts kit unless, like I said earlier many upgrades.

Imo if you just gotta have a rear mount convince sts to sell you an oil pump and piping and build your own. the base kit is just a little lacking. 100 hp for 3500+ is a bit much.

To get any more you gotta buy a new turbo for another 1k or so.

Bottom line..... you gotta pay to play. FI AINT CHEAP no matter how you do it
Doug

 

To be the counterpoint, I think there are some slick innovations on that new design. Integrating the driver side pipe w/ a x-design subframe mount is pretty good. By adding a single x-type brace on the passenger side, that would alleviate one of the big bitches against the STS......not being able to run subframes.

It looks like the front ground clearance is a bit better. About the same as when I had the TRT FMIC setup on my car. The rear clearance looks unchanged to me. The driver side LCA is the reason. Can't engineer that out. That's also the pipe most likely to contact speedbumps w/ an intercooled STS.....so I still see that being a problem. At least they admitted the #$%^ thing NEEDS a FMIC. That and if you look at the new pipe layout it runs just as close to the driver side y-pipe as ever. That is a major heat source for the intake air. I wonder if the clearance got worse for LT headers, as the y-pipe tend to be pushed outwards from center. I wouldn't be suprised if peeps running aftermarket exhaust have clearance issues.......

The air filter.....well, better than before. I don't believe that it would produce a lack of airflow in it's new location. The plastic shield should prevent it from getting filthy. It would be a real PITA to get to though......

Overall I'll give them credit for improving their kit. Now they need to ditch the overly complicated wiring haarness, toss the crappy bilge pump for a Mocal oil return unit, and add a restrictor to the turbine inlet so it's not seeping oil from being over-fed. It'll be a fine setup then

 

Yep, the restrictor isn't such a huge deal on a totally stock setup, but as soon as you throw a better oil pump on the motor, its over. Plus it helps the return pump, less oil to move back to the front.

 

i'm not trying to say there aren't any other mods but every one talk about APS vs STS no matter what kit you have you are still going to want to upgrade otherwise it wouldn't be wurth it. my car is full weight with suspention work and A th400 thats it stock crank forged rods and Pistons and stock valves. not to mention when you buy a turbo kit there are mods that you are going to have to do to get it to work right. Such as fuel system injectors. otherwise there is no point in having the kit. If you can't get the most out of it. Who are you to tell me about realistic times. I fpeople want to know How I went that fast I am more than happy to help them. Just Like Zombies did for me. He was a big help. And not to mention where do you get off thinking that these kits are worth 5 grand Not even in the ball park buddy. All I'm trying to say for the money it is well worth it. I am so with you when you said they should put some more time in redoing some things on the kit your 100% riht with that . But nor did I have to do major mods to the kit. By the way i do have a 76 mm turbo upgrade.

 

all im saying is that any turbo kit you buy your are most likely going to upgrade things no matter what. So basically I'd rather buy a less expensive kit and be able to save money for other things that I wan to upgrade in order to produce more power or faster Quarter mile times. Rather than spend almost twice the amount for a kit thats takes longer to install. Then have nothing left over to do minor or major upgrades inorder for your kit to work at as it should. ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS KIT WORKS THATS IT. So lets not all take this too personal I'm just stating facts from myself and ZOMBIESS thats it. Not to mention that my car only makes 525 RWHP. ANd 60fts a 1.34. And I bet I spent less money than a lot of front mounted turbos out there. Oh wait I went that fast with only 12 pounds of boost too. So lets not say that I have all these mods done to the turbo kit besides the Turbo

 

You should really read what I posted because I never said 5 grand I said 3500.00
Not trying to be an *** either here but I put a used kit on for a neighbor not to long ago and it was one of the worst experiences. The car is only making 6#s w/ an 8.7# spring and is slower than in was stock. 13.2 stock w/ a 2.1 60 vs 13.2 w/ a 1.9 60 @ 6#s of boost. and the car was tuned. This kit sucks.


To top it all off he drove it 2.5 hrs to the track today and the oil pump (STS) took a **** at the track. What a joke!

IMO this **** aint worth 300.00
Doug

 

Doug...

This was just a simple informative post about the new design.

I get so tired of people droning on and on about how bad STS sucks...

 

Trevor....

So by your logic only people who agree with the op about how great STS is should be allowed to post. Thats communism!!!!!

If you dont like my opinion dont read my response.

As I said earlier when people post about how great this kit is and do not give all the info it gives bad info to all the internet kids who dont really understand what they are getting into.

Its the same as the guys who slam maggie cars because they like prochargers or FI cars slamming NO2 cars.

If I can save 1 member from wasting 3 or 4k on something that is not as easy as it sounds due to bad info, then its worth it.

BTW Trevor wheres your contribution to this thread except to slam my opinion?

Doug

 

Oh dam that story is full of holes Come on man r u for real? slower than stock, Umm.. ok what are the details of his set up and dose he know how to drive a turbo car. See its people like you that bash **** just because its differnt. I hate the sts kit but I got the mother to work with alot of changes. I look at APS but I dont like where the turbos are and the funny intake set up and the price. Im not even going to talk about OFI There are a ton of short comings on both kits. If some one would build and mass produce a turbo kit and promise 800+ hp you will be all over it just because its 800.hp. **** breaks man you cant get around it so what the pump goes out buy a new one, Hell if your plugs foul out do u buy new ones? I can go on for days but you sir........... And thats my opinion. BT

 

I hate everything about the STS kit, that being said I can't justify paying what the APS kit costs and as much as I like the HP turbos TT kit I don't want to dismantle the car. I love the way the STS sounds and when done * right * they do make power and a very tractable power. I recently found a dealer that was able to make an STS kit work so well that they can actually give you the full factory warranty on the car! On the LS3 cars at 10 psi , they are making 620 plus to the tire easily. The car drives just like stock!

 

^^^^^^^^^

Looks like i was the first post....

Thanks Doug....

 

If the oil system is not hooked up right and the MAF is getting coated in oil spray.....yes, I could believe this statement. Which goes on to your next point......have to engineer the shortcomings out of the kit, such as not running a FI car in MAF tuning mode and knowing the changes to be made to the oil return pump

In short, people will always hate. I never had probs w/ the power from the STS. I changed my STS setup to NA due to ground clearance and always adjusting things for optimal performance. Ground clearance is a STS problem, always having to adjust $hit is a problem with any FI setup.

 

UMMMMM.... count much?
That is my point exactly. If you buy a kit and have to make a lot of changes to get it to work as the mfgr claims then it is a crappy kit.

I've been dealing w/ turbo cars (turbo buicks) for the past 15 yrs and have had many fast cars. I have no knowledge of aps so I will not even begin to comment on their setup, As for the sts that we installed there is no holes in this story. The kit was installed as per the instructions, the kit installed w/ no problem except to say it was a used kit and the proper precautions were not taken by the previous owner to make sure the pump wiring was secured properly. Other than an initial issue w/ the pump there were no other problems. Now the car has been tuned by reputable shop and all supporting mods were addressed, I will be the first to admit there is a real problem, That I have not been able to investigate as of yet. With a good a/f and reasonable amount of timing (17d) the car wont under any circumstances build boost off the line, also it is making 6#s of boost through the entire run. I'm sure there is something wrong I'm just not sure what it is yet.

So what your saying If someone offered an 800 hp kit you wouldnt buy it
The problem w/ the pump is widely talked about on this board so I figured it would happen sooner or later, Just not in under 5k miles. If this were my car and I had spent 5k between a used kit and supporting mods I would take it off a put it where it belongs, In the trash. Now I've had my share of broken parts, (See Sig)I know **** happens,Hell if you race it's gonna cost you one way or another but there are just way to many short comings w/ this type of FI. Hell read the stickys it says plain as day THE REAL COST OF FI. If you try to go cheap it will bite you in the ***.

Now as for the personal attacks you sir.......... you dont know me or anything about me so I would ask that you not go down that road. I have not personally attacked you or anyone else, Just expressing my opinion. So..... what makes your opinion any more important than mine?


I will, as long as I am able tell anyone who is thinking of buying a rear mount.........For the love of god do some real research before you waste your money.


Doug

 

And i will tell people as much as i can... that the group of guys on here that do rear mount are a good bunch of guys.

yea there are problems with it... but you can fix the, and i love being different.

 

Maybe u should start reading what u posted Cause this is your post(I think that a lot more work needs to be done to make this kit worth 5 or so grand.) That is exactly what you said word for word this Is what I copie and Pasted. You know what just like the other guy said your stories are filled with holes and Lies. If you don't like the kit then don't comment on a thread where people are talking good about it. What do you care start your own thread then. People come on here for help not to turned away so let them get information from people who have made the kit work well rather than people who are putting used kits on that they hate to begin with. This post is inregards to what Mr catfish said

 

since you have to re-engineer/replace/upgrade so many parts on the base system can someone please explain why you wouldnt just build your own rear mount system from scratch (if rear mount is what you want) with the right parts over buying the sts kit?

 

you have to start somewhere...

I plan on upgrading my kit... slowly

i decided to start out with the stock kit.

once i get money for a 408 with H/C/I

then ill custom build my own kit, custom charge pipes, exhaust, T-88,

The stock kit does fine to start...

Its not difficult to wrap your exhaust, put in a restrictor, big deal.

 

[QUOTE=98catfish;10193710]UMMMMM.... count much?

That is my point exactly. If you buy a kit and have to make a lot of changes to get it to work as the mfgr claims then it is a crappy kit.

I've been dealing w/ turbo cars (turbo buicks) for the past 15 yrs and have had many fast cars. I have no knowledge of aps so I will not even begin to comment on their setup, As for the sts that we installed there is no holes in this story. The kit was installed as per the instructions, the kit installed w/ no problem except to say it was a used kit and the proper precautions were not taken by the previous owner to make sure the pump wiring was secured properly. Other than an initial issue w/ the pump there were no other problems. Now the car has been tuned by reputable shop and all supporting mods were addressed, I will be the first to admit there is a real problem, That I have not been able to investigate as of yet. With a good a/f and reasonable amount of timing (17d) the car wont under any circumstances build boost off the line, also it is making 6#s of boost through the entire run. I'm sure there is something wrong I'm just not sure what it is yet.

So what your saying If someone offered an 800 hp kit you wouldnt buy it
The problem w/ the pump is widely talked about on this board so I figured it would happen sooner or later, Just not in under 5k miles. If this were my car and I had spent 5k between a used kit and supporting mods I would take it off a put it where it belongs, In the trash. Now I've had my share of broken parts, (See Sig)I know **** happens,Hell if you race it's gonna cost you one way or another but there are just way to many short comings w/ this type of FI. Hell read the stickys it says plain as day THE REAL COST OF FI. If you try to go cheap it will bite you in the ***.

Now as for the personal attacks you sir.......... you dont know me or anything about me so I would ask that you not go down that road. I have not personally attacked you or anyone else, Just expressing my opinion. So..... what makes your opinion any more important than mine?


I will, as long as I am able tell anyone who is thinking of buying a rear mount.........For the love of god do some real research before you waste your money.




No personal attack bro ! Just state the facts with personal knowledge. Im not knocking you in any way but come on look close to what u posted. The poor guy on this board that reads your post will steer clear of a sts without even looking at it closer. FACTS run everything on this board and the fact is the base rearmount kit is ok but for big HP there need to be changes. Hell everybody that visits ls1tech has done or going to change something on their Fbody. This board is full of facts and opinions. And no I would not buy a 800 hp turbo kit for the simple fact that claims may be bogous to sell some crappy ****. But if it was one and several people owned it I will. Hell I wanted a HP kit along time ago I had cash in hand but they never called me back and when they answerd the phone I had a differnt tech and the quote was 3 k more! Any Im Of this post.