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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 03:10 PM
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also, i've seen fittings have much smaller orifices than the hose or what they really should be.
whats the voltage under wot and load?
are you getting oil in the intake from the turbo? that can cause detonation.


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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
have you swapped injector locations?
yes...several times...they all also have been flowed and are near identical
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
also, i've seen fittings have much smaller orifices than the hose or what they really should be.
whats the voltage under wot and load?
are you getting oil in the intake from the turbo? that can cause detonation.


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fuel system is well built...also no oil from turbo
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 09:12 PM
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We are now just going to add additional fueling progressively at the upper boost levels...to number 7...as well as a tad to 5 and 3
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 08:39 AM
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Data logging the fp?
"The plugs looked fine, through all the dyno pulls".
This^^, but eats itself on the track. We dealt w/ this on a turbo Buick. Turned out the accel g forces were messing with the pump pick up.
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Geezer
Data logging the fp?
"The plugs looked fine, through all the dyno pulls".
This^^, but eats itself on the track. We dealt w/ this on a turbo Buick. Turned out the accel g forces were messing with the pump pick up.

He’s running a stock location fuel-cell made by nasty Nate performance. Along with the high dollar Weldon fuel pump. I believe the feed line is Dash 12 or – 10 to the pump and then – eight feed to the motor. He’s about ready just to switch over to E 85 to keep the motor cooler.
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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 01:05 AM
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Have you tried different brands of 116 fuel?
What is the IAT showing?
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
Have you tried different brands of 116 fuel?
What is the IAT showing?
IAT’a have been fine, A2W IC. The EGT shows #7 getting about 200* hotter that #1 just with idling. The added fuel seems to have helped. We shall see.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Newbomb
IAT’a have been fine, A2W IC. The EGT shows #7 getting about 200* hotter that #1 just with idling. The added fuel seems to have helped. We shall see.
Flipped driver side head gasket?
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Old Aug 1, 2020 | 05:03 PM
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Can you post logs of any of the melt down runs? Gotta be a fuel or timing issue. I would be concerned with EGT 200F difference at idle. Can't imagine what you'll find when you do a full pull. EGTs and safety limits will be your friend until you sort it out.
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Old Aug 2, 2020 | 03:11 PM
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So it's done this since it was assembled? How many times has it been completely apart since? You say it melted a piston?
You said that cylinder is 200* hotter at idle? Where and how are you pulling these #'s? You say egt, so you have each cylinder setup with a separate egt?
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 01:23 AM
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So we burned #7 up again.

It seems to do it when using the scramble, the car makes a little over 900rwhp on 14lb, the scramble puts basically pins the gate. I can't see the boost going over 16lb, we weren't able to log the pass. I feel like the turbo is already maxed out (Billet 480).

Also, this is a rear mount setup and it seems the scavenge pump isn't keeping up, so it's getting a new pump. The rear cylinders had the most oil in them. I think the next outing we are going to try to pull 2-3* out of cylinder 7, if this is possible with MS3pro. I don't know what else to do. We have additional fuel going to 7, from like 8lb at 5% to 12% or so at 14+lb.

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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 01:25 AM
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So it's done this since it was assembled? How many times has it been completely apart since? You say it melted a piston?
You said that cylinder is 200* hotter at idle? Where and how are you pulling these #'s? You say egt, so you have each cylinder setup with a separate egt?
The EGT's were better after adding the additional fuel. I can't remember exactly what the numbers were. There is a sensor on #1 and #7.

The motor has been apart 5-6 times, after burning #7 each time.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 06:09 AM
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Seems silly not to have a log.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 06:28 AM
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can you share some pictures? im curious what the exhaust looks like, maybe #7 is kinked or smashed and driver side in general is plugged up some how.
also, you can try a ngk 5671 instead of a projected tip plug, but it sounds like you have bigger problems than the plugs if youre seeing 200° difference in egt at idle.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Seems silly not to have a log.
we were having technical difficulties lol
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Newbomb
we were having technical difficulties lol
You burned up the same motor several times so I believe you lol. Need logs and plug info. Like Trendsetter said you're not using projected plugs at that power level right?
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 07:27 AM
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my mistake his post says BR7 and i read TR7.
i always use 5671s instead of br7s so it didnt immediately register as non-tapered tip in my head

i still would be interested in seeing what the hot side of the kit looks like. real bad backpressure may be able to cause these issues
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
my mistake his post says BR7 and i read TR7.
i always use 5671s instead of br7s so it didnt immediately register as non-tapered tip in my head

i still would be interested in seeing what the hot side of the kit looks like. real bad backpressure may be able to cause these issues
Why dont you like BR7's, I've used them almost exclusively.
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 08:43 AM
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they are taper seat vs gasket seat of 5671s otherwise i believe they are the same
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