Another Ram 6130 bites the dust.....
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Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... My 6130 decided it wanted to become one with my flywheel today at the track. I have approximately 2000 street miles and 10 passes at the track before this happened. I was very pleased with the performance of the clutch until today and I know I am not the first person this has happened to. It happened on a 6000 RPM launch on motor at Island Dragway. It launced good 1.63 60' and then I missed second......then I shortly realized I could not get it in any gear. I finally RPM matched it into 4th. When I was stopped the only way to get it into gear was to turn the motor off. I made the 1.5 hour drive home with no clutch. That was not fun either. I pulled the trans and pressure plate when I got home and sure enough the clutch disk was seized to the flywheel. I will be calling Ram tommorrow to see what they can do for me. I am not very happy right know but I think a sintered iron disk might make me smile again.
Bryan 99SS M6
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Bryan 99SS M6
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Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... I was using the Ram Billet Flywheel and 402pp. I decided not to try my luck with the stock flywheel and wound up with a problem anyhow. Since we can't get a scattershield for our cars I felt a little more comfortable with the Billet piece.
Bryan
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Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... Yeah, I do run nitrous but not on the pass that fried the clutch. It had performed flawlessly up until then. I still have a lot of faith in the product and will be trying a 910 disk next.
Bryan
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Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... I just talked to Mike at RAM and he is going to ship me out a 910 disk. He still has no idea what has caused these couple failures but they are trying to figure it out.
I have to say that RAM customer service is top notch. Mike e-mailed me his cell phone number so I could call him on the road. He said he was taking a trip with the whole family. That is going above and beyond to make a customer happy. The new disk should be here in a few days and my flywheel is at the machine shop getting resurfaced. Will have her back on the road in no time. Thanks to Mike and RAM again.
Bryan
I have to say that RAM customer service is top notch. Mike e-mailed me his cell phone number so I could call him on the road. He said he was taking a trip with the whole family. That is going above and beyond to make a customer happy. The new disk should be here in a few days and my flywheel is at the machine shop getting resurfaced. Will have her back on the road in no time. Thanks to Mike and RAM again.
Bryan
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Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... I wonder why a few people have had this unison of the 6130 disk and the flywheel gluing together. This makes me think that for some reason the 6130 disk and/or pressure plate are getting WAY too hot and melting together however which is acting as the adhesive and what is causing this much higher than normal heat buildup? I'm curious as to whether the adj. m/c is adjusted properly so that the disk and flywheel engage and disengage fully. Or could the flywheel bolts not have been torqued correctly and/or no loctite used on the bolts causing the flywheel to back out very slightly and cause heat build up due to improper clutch release/engagement?
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... I begining to wonder myself.
Where in the pedal travel have you guys been adjusting the disengage point? And what master cylinder have you been using?
I've run the 402/6130 w/ a stock flywheel and stock master w/ an adjustable rod without issue. Never slipped, never melted. But my disengage point is very high on the pedal.
hmmm
Where in the pedal travel have you guys been adjusting the disengage point? And what master cylinder have you been using?
I've run the 402/6130 w/ a stock flywheel and stock master w/ an adjustable rod without issue. Never slipped, never melted. But my disengage point is very high on the pedal.
hmmm
Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... Harlan, I believe it's improper release/engagement points on the clutch thus causing lots of unneeded heat build up and thus causing them the fuse.
Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... Harlan, how are you able to tell exactly when the clutch is releasing fully. I have my master set for the clutch to engage about 2 inches off the floor. Thats where I have always been told to have it set. Thats whre it was at when I melted my 6130 disc. Now that I have the 910 I have it set in almost the same place and its a bit notchy when shifting. I always thought if the pedal was all the way to the top that the throw out bearing would be constantly riding the PP. PPPPPPPPreciate the info guys. Im sure this is just a bad batch or some bad installs. Ram has been ABSOLUTELY awesome handling each case. Thats more than I can say for a few other companies out there.
Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... I have always adjusted mine based on free play in the pedal, not necessarily the grab point.
I adjust the rod so that there is about an inch of pedal travel before there is any resistance. You need to do this with the trans up to temp. The hydralics will warm up and the fluid does expand. This can preload the system if your pushrod is too long. That causes the bearing to ride the plate.
Adjust until there is a bit of free play in the pedal as you push it. Use your hand, it's much easier to tell when you have hit the cutoff hole in the master and begin to build pressure in the system.
That way, you get the maximum amount of pedal travel pressurizing the system, and the max amount of bearing travel. Has worked great for me. I just deal w/ the release point that gets me. And i'm certain i've gotten all the travel i can when the pedal is to the floor.
Just don't ride the clutch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />
I adjust the rod so that there is about an inch of pedal travel before there is any resistance. You need to do this with the trans up to temp. The hydralics will warm up and the fluid does expand. This can preload the system if your pushrod is too long. That causes the bearing to ride the plate.
Adjust until there is a bit of free play in the pedal as you push it. Use your hand, it's much easier to tell when you have hit the cutoff hole in the master and begin to build pressure in the system.
That way, you get the maximum amount of pedal travel pressurizing the system, and the max amount of bearing travel. Has worked great for me. I just deal w/ the release point that gets me. And i'm certain i've gotten all the travel i can when the pedal is to the floor.
Just don't ride the clutch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />
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Re: Another Ram 6130 bites the dust..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bryan 99SS:
<strong>I was using the Ram Billet Flywheel and 402pp. I decided not to try my luck with the stock flywheel and wound up with a problem anyhow. Since we can't get a scattershield for our cars I felt a little more comfortable with the Billet piece.
Bryan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jeg's carries a Lakewood p/n 620-15005 for LS1's at 289.99.
<strong>I was using the Ram Billet Flywheel and 402pp. I decided not to try my luck with the stock flywheel and wound up with a problem anyhow. Since we can't get a scattershield for our cars I felt a little more comfortable with the Billet piece.
Bryan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jeg's carries a Lakewood p/n 620-15005 for LS1's at 289.99.