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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 94z28L
i'm guessing that 1st is locked out on the nitrous?
no. just have a crappy manual reaction time activating the nitrous. that and some track conditions. that and my car is really slow coming off idle.

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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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Fatigue cracks initiate at the surface at small discontinuities, but the 7.5" teeth sheer off, meaning that the base material isn't strong enough.
I see your point. This isn't a cure-all. I don't even think it is worth the money, really. I bet it helps but notch fator and surface finish won't play a huge role in protecting the teeth of breaking in this application. There still isn't enough room for safety.
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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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if you can gears made of mikronite then they will be strong. or made of another stong metal.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mrr23
i never said 1.7 was abusive. glad to see no failures. have you looked to see what the wear pattern is?
The Mikronite ad guys acted like the gears were really put through their paces. If the Micronited gears in a 7.5" held up to 20 1.4X 60' times, then I'd be impressed.

Yes, I've checked my pattern and it looks the same as when I set it up. If the pattern moves, it's because the shims weren't fully compressed or the housing is flex'ing.

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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:41 AM
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if you can gears made of mikronite then they will be strong. or made of another stong metal.

mikronite is a process that you put gears through similar to sand blasting, the gears are still made of steel
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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as far as putting them 'through their paces', i'm sure these guys put way more stress on them than we'll ever do.
http://www.vincihighperformance.com/...IN%20PAGE.HTML
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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for those looking for some light reading, look at the car craft jan 2007 issue page 44.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mrr23
as far as putting them 'through their paces', i'm sure these guys put way more stress on them than we'll ever do.
http://www.vincihighperformance.com/...IN%20PAGE.HTML
I actually believe that we put more "stress" on the gear teeth than even a Pro Stock car. Why? Because ours break and theirs don't.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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yeah that's it. i thought it's because they buy better parts and do what it takes to make sure 6000+ hp doesn't break anything.

for those looking for some light reading, look at the car craft jan 2007 issue page 44.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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yeah that's it. i thought it's because they buy better parts and do what it takes to make sure 6000+ hp doesn't break anything.
By "better parts", you mean bigger, beafier stuff. The large gears in the stiff housing means that there is lower "stress" levels in the steel, resulting in few failures. My point is that Mikroniting Pro Stock gears to prove that it works proves nothing to me since the non-Mikronited gears seem to have a very low failure rate. Using Mikronited gears in a 7.5" rear that runs 1.7 60' times in an auto proves nothing because they also last without Mikroniting. Using Mikronited gears in a 7.5" rear that runs 1.4 60' times and hold up might just prove something.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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then look for the data. this isn't anything new. been around for many years. mikronite enlisted many other companies to do the same tests. they even tried to keep test type vehicles as close from one test to another. the 2000 firebird with 420 rwhp and 200 n2o, mark campbell is refering to wasn't mine. i got verification about that today.

i'll see what i can do about getting some 1.4 60ft times just for you next month. i doubt i will, might finally see some 1.5s though.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mrr23
yeah that's it. i thought it's because they buy better parts and do what it takes to make sure 6000+ hp doesn't break anything.

for those looking for some light reading, look at the car craft jan 2007 issue page 44.

ok prostock cars do not make 6,000 plus hp, they make around 1200 on motor rougly but the fuel cars make the 6,000 plus hp and even then its theoretical because they cant prove it because no dyno can handle it
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mrr23
for those looking for some light reading, look at the car craft jan 2007 issue page 44.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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ok prostock cars do not make 6,000 plus hp, they make around 1200 on motor rougly but the fuel cars make the 6,000 plus hp and even then its theoretical because they cant prove it because no dyno can handle it
up, got me there. damn at least triple what us average people make. and at least double what the big gun cars here make.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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up, got me there. damn at least triple what us average people make. and at least double what the big gun cars here make.
yeah, i'd kill to run one, they definately make big power

oh yeah almost forgot, V. Gaines is from colorado, about 10 mins from where i live
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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should stop in and see if he'll give you his opinion on the process.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 02:25 AM
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I guesss il have to give this gears a try, anyone know where to buy the ring and pinion already with the coating?
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there's a link in either this thread or one in the lt1 section, i'd look but i'm goin to bed
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ok prostock cars do not make 6,000 plus hp, they make around 1200 on motor rougly but the fuel cars make the 6,000 plus hp and even then its theoretical because they cant prove it because no dyno can handle it
Phil Burkhart (Funny Car) and Doug Herbert (Top Fuel Dragster) use Mikronite processed gears. They are also being used in circle track cars which put a lot of stress on the gears. You can also Mikronite axles as well which will help strengthen the entire package. Strength and power, what are the disadvantages?
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Originally Posted by Joe Vinci
Phil Burkhart (Funny Car) and Doug Herbert (Top Fuel Dragster) use Mikronite processed gears. They are also being used in circle track cars which put a lot of stress on the gears. You can also Mikronite axles as well which will help strengthen the entire package. Strength and power, what are the disadvantages?
i never said any disadvantages were there i was just saying that the prostock boys even tho they make huge power dont make that much, im not seeing where i said anywhere that there was a disadvantage to it. those guys use those because they look for every advantage that they can get, and whether that means a lesser frictional coefficient for less drivetraing loss or a stronger longer lasting gear they'll get it, they spends thousands researching even the smallest bolts so you bet that they would do that, same reason that they use gun drilled axles, more strength and less rotational mass for better drivetrain efficiency and consistency.
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